Boris's ban on alcohol on London Transport (with poll)

Discussion in 'London and the South East' started by editor, May 5, 2008.

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What do you think of Boris's proposed ban on drinking on public transport?

  1. Yes! Ban! Ban! Ban! I'm 100% for the ban

    8.8%
  2. Not bothered but think it's probably a good idea

    12.8%
  3. Couldn't give a monkey's chuffnut either way

    7.5%
  4. Not a big deal but I'm against the ban

    22.0%
  5. It's a fucking stupid idea. 100% against

    47.6%
  6. My tofu underpants live inside a rubber ball and talk Cantonese

    1.3%
  1. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Garf: are you still sticking by your emphatic claim that: ""alchol destroies brain cells with any amount drunk it is a diluted posion. period" and if so, could you kindly produce some credible sources for that assertion?

    Thanks.
     
  2. *Miss Daisy*

    *Miss Daisy* Suck a Big Hairy....

    :)In answer to the OP as i dunno what you's up there ^^^ is bangin on about.

    I voted that i arent really bothered but think its a good idea possibly.
    Why is there a need to drink alcohol on the tube? if ya just travelling on the tube surely you can wait til you get off then have a drink - i think it'll help - i find it a bit intimadating when theres peeps drinking on trains getting rowdy...would also be setting an example to the yoof who see that its NOT ok to get pissed on trains/tubes/buse as they see adults then do it themselves and get frowned upon.

    ... and if smokings been banned then so should the other legal stuffs like alcohol - is it legal to sniff poppers on the tube? if not then why not?


    TBH I dont really give a fuck coz i've only been on the tube once and it was naff so i conclude by :p:p:p
     
  3. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Here's the qualifications of Professor Bartlett, who is widely acknowledged as one of the world's leading brain scientists.
    Now, will you finally post up some research that actually backs up your assertion that "alcohol destroys brain cells with any amount drunk" now please, because so far it's Professor Perry Bartlett versus Garf and I know who my money's on here.
     
  4. ajdown

    ajdown Posting in this thread

    An excellent point that I don't think has been made before.
     
  5. dream_girl

    dream_girl waiting for my ban


    fuck me :rolleyes:
     
  6. GarfieldLeChat

    GarfieldLeChat fucking awesome but wrong

    scottish study into alcohol related brain damage.
    http://www.alcoholinformation.isdsc...tID=1976&p_applic=CCC&p_service=Content.show&

    and the pdf itself.

    http://www.alcoholinformation.isdscotland.org/alcohol_misuse/files/ARBD_MeetingNeeds.pdf

    austrailian study into acuuired brain injury

    http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/BHCV2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Alcohol_related_brain_damage?open
    this being particularlly relevant.

    discussion of both Wernicke's encephalopathy and Korsakoff's psychosis

    http://www.alzscot.org/pages/info/alcohol.htm

    insitute of alchol studies scotish study...

    http://www.ias.org.uk/resources/publications/alcoholalert/alert200302/al200302_p16.html
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    insititue of alcohol abuse and alcoholism....

    http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/aa63/aa63.htm

    as i said we can go on trading links all day but again you fail to conceed your original point was in error...
     
  7. *Miss Daisy*

    *Miss Daisy* Suck a Big Hairy....

    no
     
  8. rutabowa

    rutabowa LOSE IT

    all of those links say that HEAVY drinking MAY cause brain damage. you were saying that even moderate drinking definitely will cause damage... so they prove the opposite of what you say.
     
  9. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Not one of those links supports your claim that "alcohol destroys brain cells with any amount drunk" so why don't you just admit you were wrong instead of wasting more time digging a bigger hole for yourself?
     
  10. dream_girl

    dream_girl waiting for my ban

    I've gotta say - none of this backs up your earlier statement Garfield.
     
  11. citydreams

    citydreams on the road again

    What, never!? Never ever?? I think you might be exaggerating a wee bit Professor Garf... lay off the shandies mate.
     
  12. *Miss Daisy*

    *Miss Daisy* Suck a Big Hairy....

    :)cheers - obviously others think differently tho:D
     
  13. GarfieldLeChat

    GarfieldLeChat fucking awesome but wrong

    so logically according to your comments there is no build up or previous damage it all arrives at a given point and then does major damage....

    suddenly 2 beers fine 5 beers brain damage.

    (obivously reductio absurbium but you see the point)

    ditto sudden and sever brain damage from nowhere. no causality links oh noez...


    I'm sure you are well aware of the consiquneces of mucking around with peoples users names. it's stated on my every post for your refference...
     
  14. citydreams

    citydreams on the road again

    When i was getting pissed on jacked vodka at 14 the only adults that were doing similiar were the care-in-the-community sorts. I wasn't aspiring towards their life-style :p

    It's one thing to get pissed uncontrollable.. It's another to have a wee dram and make merry.

    ps. In the jewish religion everyone, including hoodied-youth, are expected to get rip-roaringly drunk all day long for the festival of Purim.
     
  15. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Your claim was emphatic and free of caveats: "alcohol destroys brain cells with any amount drunk."

    Can you finally back that up with some relevant research, please? Or, if you like, you could just admit that you were wrong, which you are..
     
  16. *Miss Daisy*

    *Miss Daisy* Suck a Big Hairy....

    :p to yoo too!

    i agree with you actually (the wee dram bit) but where do you draw the line - footie thugs knocking back kegs of beer - alkis having their brown paper bags - gangs of yoof with their alkopops.

    :p
     
  17. GarfieldLeChat

    GarfieldLeChat fucking awesome but wrong

    i have backed it up large build ups cause brain damage. ergo small amounts contribute to this...

    unless you are saying that actually the effect is instantaious at a certain peak point taking us back to the frivilous 2 beers good 5 beers bad....

    you not accepting that is neither here nor there i've established that your comments about alcohol releate brain damage is neither an old wives tale nor incorrect. as you clearly stated.

    and also that if a build up causes brain damage then the same follows for a minor amount, unless you can prove a sudden change occurs there is no other explaination for the build up.

    it's simple extrapolation and one which is very elementary in it's logic.

    it happens to be on a subject however where you are overly emotive because it's a vice you enjoy.
     
  18. rutabowa

    rutabowa LOSE IT

    it is much more complicated than you are suggesting. there is a kind of "point of no return" after which brain damage occurs fairly rapidly after prolonged heavy drinking. you can see even alcoholics who can function very well for a long amount of time, then they suddenly decline. it isn't the case each pint of beer causes a tiny amount of brain damage that is a ridiculous extrapolation!! otherwise there'd be loads of people at various stages of brain damage.
     
  19. editor

    editor hiraethified

    None of the above waffle helps - or backs up - your claim that "alcohol destroys brain cells with any amount drunk."

    Oh well. You may be too stubborn to admit to your silly error, but I'm pretty sure all this blustering isn't fooling anyone.

    Let's ask. Does anyone think Garf's assertion that "alcohol destroys brain cells with any amount drunk" is correct and he's backed it up with credible research?

    Anyone?
     
  20. dream_girl

    dream_girl waiting for my ban


    yes!






















    No - not really :p
     
  21. ajdown

    ajdown Posting in this thread

    However, would you agree with the statement 'even just one drink can impair your judgement', even if only on a short term basis?
     
  22. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    Yes, The response is not linear, though.
     
  23. dream_girl

    dream_girl waiting for my ban

    there are a lot of things that can impair your judgement - a headache, reading the Sun, or the Guardian for that matter, and believing in christian moralistic bollox - i find that above all impairs judgement actually.
     
  24. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Of course, although that very much depends on the drink and the person drinking it and a host of other circumstances.

    I can't see why you're asking me this, to be honest.
     
  25. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    Let's wait and find out.
     
  26. rutabowa

    rutabowa LOSE IT

    i can hardly control myself
     
  27. ajdown

    ajdown Posting in this thread

    You don't need to know, you just needed to respond, and you agree with me.

    That's a good start :)
     
  28. dream_girl

    dream_girl waiting for my ban

    I've already wet myself twice.
     
  29. GarfieldLeChat

    GarfieldLeChat fucking awesome but wrong

    it's nto a ridiculious extrapoliation at all... clearly you know little about posioning...

    posion of which alcohol is, builds up in the body to the pioint where the body can no longer deal with it at that point the sudden noticable decline happens however this will occur a long time before the sudden decline but have less noticeable effects.... Most of the evidence i have seen seems to indicate this may well be to do with the vitamin reuptake and the inablity to do so causing the actual damage rather than it being a direct damage factor of the alcohol. this as we well know means that these deficencies must be occuring at a low level before the sudden obvious decline.

    no build up. no damage. yet there is damage beign done to take you to that point of sudden decline.
     
  30. dream_girl

    dream_girl waiting for my ban

    it's still not what you said earlier though is it? :p
     

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