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Boris to cut funding for all London cultural events?

but almost all local authorities divert some funding for christmas lights/trees etc, do you think they should be stopped - what about the Beebs christmas schedules or the massive lottery grants available to restore and maintain churches

I don't think local authorities should fund Christmas Lights/Trees. Let the shops fund the lights and trees and if they don't, then lets not have them then.

Churches that are occupied shouldn't receive any grant money for maintanence. Those churches should be taken over by the Local Authority/English Heritage to look after if the church they are affliated with cannot afford to run them. They can then be restored if neccessary or returned to the Church to be sold.

The Beeb is the Beeb they spend quite enough time and money making sure they are culturally inclusive.

we live in a Christian country, like it or not so what is really that wrong with chucking a few quid (and it is only a few) to help folk of other cultures celebrate their festivals.

I don't think we do live in a "Christian" country, I think those in charge have for too long been Christians and pushed a Christian agenda, but actually I believe we live in a druidic and pagan country, since that was here first and was around longer.

no they wouldn't, its incredibly hard to organise free events, largely because most local authorities impose punitive licencing charges and excessive health & safety conditions.

something on the scale of RISE or the London Mela would be impossible to get off the ground - and they already rely on a large extent on the work of volunteers, who are unlikely to continue to help if they become an advertising jamborees or commercial events

its not just a day out, think of all the local musicians, kids and performers who get a chance to show off their creativity and would be unlikely to be offered space at a corporate sanitised event

in the general scheme of things these events cost peanuts, Soho Pride has been stripped of ten grand which is peanuts in the wider scheme of things, but enough to probably end the event

meanwhile the english ballet, opera etc receive millions in state funding so chinless wankers like Boris can have cheap tickets

like everything else boris has done, this is gesture politics designed to appeal to tory wankers who dont like gays and muslims

I agree with this last statement, but rather then use it as a justification for supporting stuff I am opposed to, I would rather just say, well lets end the funding of that too.
 
Umm you may beleive we live in a pagan druidic country ,but, How much influence does that have over present society?Our laws and calendar are based on judeo christian ideas .
In the history of dumb ideas which is what religions are imho, paganism lost .
Funding things from a public purse is always contensitious guess anything which can be objected to is easy to chop.
 
Umm you may beleive we live in a pagan druidic country ,but, How much influence does that have over present society?Our laws and calendar are based on judeo christian ideas .
In the history of dumb ideas which is what religions are imho, paganism lost .
Funding things from a public purse is always contensitious guess anything which can be objected to is easy to chop.

Yeah I did want to change that, I don't believe we live in a Pagan or Druidic society, I meant to say, if we were going to assign any religion to our country, then it should be Druidic and Pagan as they were around for longer and were here first.

It was more a way to refute the claim that we are a Christian Country, we are not, we have simply been ruled by Christians for a long time.
 
Yeah I did want to change that, I don't believe we live in a Pagan or Druidic society, I meant to say, if we were going to assign any religion to our country, then it should be Druidic and Pagan as they were around for longer and were here first.

It was more a way to refute the claim that we are a Christian Country, we are not, we have simply been ruled by Christians for a long time.

on a side not, christmas is suspiciously close to midwinter, jesus is a Mithras rip-off merchant.
 
Then what is needed is not huge wank projects that only benefit the 'friends of Ken' but smaller local events, run on a cheaper basis and more accessible. There is a halfway house between local authority corporatism and private sector corporatism.

but a lot of those events are small local events and seeing as many of them are in London parks and are free then they are pretty accessible - you certainly see plenty of people attending who arent from the specified ethnic group

they are far from huge wank projects that only benefit friends of ken, they benefit people like me with kids who cant afford a lot of what London has to offer and appreciate a free day out

many of them were there before Ken and whilst he's always attempted to dominate anything he got his hands on they were all fairly independant

sure a few trots and trade unionists might speak, but thats because a lot of those events also received funding from trade unions, most if not all are funded by other sources as well as the GLA, including in some cases corporate sponsorship


Ten grand is probably a drop in the ocean to people like Jeremy Joseph etc so why don't these rich bar and club owners stick their hands in their pockets? After all they have benefiteed for years from public money bringing theri punters in to the area.

as Ive just said, he may well contribute already, but if he chooses not to then the event will end if Boris gets his way. Thats the point about corporate sponsorship, it means that business men, not Londoners get to decide the cultural life of London


I've no problem with arts funding but I do agree a disproportionate amount of funding goes to the ROH etc. Boris btw doesn't need a cheap ticket. Joe Soap who may only have got into opera from hearing it on the radio or on an advert also deserves the right to see this art form does need a cheap ticket.

except there arent any cheap tickets, although i take your point

but if youve no problem with arts funding then why do you have a problem with supporting events like those listed, which bring diverse and interesting art to an audience that would often never see it and provide a way for everyone, regardless of how much cash they have, a chance to engage with their own and others cultural heritage


That is very much a short sighted view of the situation.

I dont see why, these events provide good value for money and in the general scheme of things cost very little, Id be surprised if total funding is more than a couple of million a year (most of that going to RISE and Mela which you say youd keep), so for less than a penny a week Londoners get a year round programme of free events

its also worth mentioning that theres a whole economy based around these events from stall holders, production staff and security which will no doubt suffer because of this decision as will the local business owners etc who get a boost in trade
 
but a lot of those events are small local events and seeing as many of them are in London parks and are free then they are pretty accessible - you certainly see plenty of people attending who arent from the specified ethnic group

they are far from huge wank projects that only benefit friends of ken, they benefit people like me with kids who cant afford a lot of what London has to offer and appreciate a free day out

many of them were there before Ken and whilst he's always attempted to dominate anything he got his hands on they were all fairly independant


Fair do's we need a return to the days when seed money was given out, plus a lessening of beauracracy on small groups. I'm in favour of stuff that is cheap and accessible not these huge events although some huge events are a good thing.

sure a few trots and trade unionists might speak, but thats because a lot of those events also received funding from trade unions, most if not all are funded by other sources as well as the GLA, including in some cases corporate sponsorship
No problem with TU's speaking but keep the trots and other fash away please.


as Ive just said, he may well contribute already, but if he chooses not to then the event will end if Boris gets his way. Thats the point about corporate sponsorship, it means that business men, not Londoners get to decide the cultural life of London

But then under the old 'ken' system it wasn't londoners deciding democratically what was wanted it was what ever the arts an culture elite thought up.

except there arent any cheap tickets, although i take your point

When talking about Opera I would be in favour of closing down the ROH, putting extra funding into the ENO and using the spare cash to fund roadshows and tours to get people interested.
but if youve no problem with arts funding then why do you have a problem with supporting events like those listed, which bring diverse and interesting art to an audience that would often never see it and provide a way for everyone, regardless of how much cash they have, a chance to engage with their own and others cultural heritage

I don't have a problem with funding events its just that we are heading for a financial crash and the safest way to reduce money is to cut back ALL funding.


I dont see why, these events provide good value for money and in the general scheme of things cost very little, Id be surprised if total funding is more than a couple of million a year (most of that going to RISE and Mela which you say youd keep), so for less than a penny a week Londoners get a year round programme of free events

Rise and Mela along with Pride are events that would be quite easily sponsorable and in some cases earn anyway.

its also worth mentioning that theres a whole economy based around these events from stall holders, production staff and security which will no doubt suffer because of this decision as will the local business owners etc who get a boost in trade

This goes back to my point about bar owners and pride. Why don't those who benefit from these events pay for them?

If it was up tome and the money was there I'd fund the lot. But when it comes to a choice between a Jolly and vital services then
 
Let's homogenise London, and trust in the markets to provide.

What a good idea. Let's stop spending tax money on fun. Let's send a message to everyone that free parties are not to be tolerated. If you want it, pay for it. If you can't pay for it, find a business and persuade them that they can make money from it. If you can't persuade a business that they can make money from it, then fuck you, you shouldn't be too poor to party. let's brand everything, brands are good. Sponsorship is good. All these gays and ethnics have to realise that they are living in a capitalist country now and they need to do things our way. Pay up or piss off.
 
Soho Pride was only getting £10,000 of cash from the mayor, but attracted about 80,000 people last year IIRC. Most of the cash comes from local bars & businesses that sponsor the event. Pretty good use of resources if you ask me.
 
Rise and Mela along with Pride are events that would be quite easily sponsorable and in some cases earn anyway.

you're living in a dream world if you think that

even the carnival has never attracted anywhere near enough sponsership to cover its costs even with a team working year round, and events dont come much higher profile than that
 
This goes back to my point about bar owners and pride. Why don't those who benefit from these events pay for them?

they do, stall holders all pay a fee for there stall and local businesses often contribute, you dont seem to understand how much these things cost
 
Well, it wasn't quite wiped out. Most of our Christmas traditions are to do with Winter Solstice, really. So it was more like a takeover with rebranding.
 
Let's homogenise London, and trust in the markets to provide.

What a good idea. Let's stop spending tax money on fun. Let's send a message to everyone that free parties are not to be tolerated. If you want it, pay for it. If you can't pay for it, find a business and persuade them that they can make money from it. If you can't persuade a business that they can make money from it, then fuck you, you shouldn't be too poor to party. let's brand everything, brands are good. Sponsorship is good. All these gays and ethnics have to realise that they are living in a capitalist country now and they need to do things our way. Pay up or piss off.

^Exactly^

You can bet your bottom dollar that when totalitarianism comes to Britain it'll be sponsored by Red Bull plc.
 
Not a bright move, especially as lot of events find they're unable to attract further funding unless they have some "foundation" funding in place. This is typically paid by the local authority as they know that not only do they get value for money, but in helping secure more funding they're in a win-win scenario.

It does depend on the event, though, often we've had events down here which have attracted bugger-all visitors, and with road closures and car parking restrictions have killed off trade which would normally happen. There do also seem to be a few businesses which benefit enormously from some of these events at cost to others so it's not unreasonable to expect them to stump up some readies.

So this £10k cut in funding the Pride event, how much of it's budget is it, and is it 100% of the funding they've enjoyed from the mayor's office before?
 
Let's homogenise London, and trust in the markets to provide.

What a good idea. Let's stop spending tax money on fun. Let's send a message to everyone that free parties are not to be tolerated. If you want it, pay for it. If you can't pay for it, find a business and persuade them that they can make money from it. If you can't persuade a business that they can make money from it, then fuck you, you shouldn't be too poor to party. let's brand everything, brands are good. Sponsorship is good. All these gays and ethnics have to realise that they are living in a capitalist country now and they need to do things our way. Pay up or piss off.

you've been working for the B-for-Booger for a while, then?



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