Well, he has made good on one of his election pledges (or appears to be doing so anyway):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7752046.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7752046.stm
Boris scraps Congestion Charge Western Extension (and then doesn't. or does he?)
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Aye, I have no feelings either way really - it doesn't affect me as I always get the tube into London but its good (and seemingly very rare) to see a politician actually do what they promised in the run-up to an election.
IIRC he said he would put it to the vote and go with what the majority of people wanted. It appears he has done that so fair play.
IIRC he said he would put it to the vote and go with what the majority of people wanted. It appears he has done that so fair play.
I think that is what is needed especially as the economy is tanking. It might make it viable for tradespeople to actually come into the centre to work.
ajdown
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It would certainly make getting round a lot easier for those that have to travel into or through the middle of London.
After all, it was claimed that 70,000 cars per day have been removed from the roads of Central London because of the congestion charge - but 70,000 more seats weren't and most likely still haven't been provided on public transport to compensate.
I use public transport most of the time, but it would certainly make my life a lot easier when I do have to use a car to be able to choose my own route through London instead of having to go all round the outside with everyone else forced on to the outer ring road, or waste time waiting for the charge to end in the evening, and worrying whether I actually did go into the zone or not (because afaik there is no way to find out if you did or not, and if you pay it unnecessarily you don't get a refund).
After all, it was claimed that 70,000 cars per day have been removed from the roads of Central London because of the congestion charge - but 70,000 more seats weren't and most likely still haven't been provided on public transport to compensate.
I use public transport most of the time, but it would certainly make my life a lot easier when I do have to use a car to be able to choose my own route through London instead of having to go all round the outside with everyone else forced on to the outer ring road, or waste time waiting for the charge to end in the evening, and worrying whether I actually did go into the zone or not (because afaik there is no way to find out if you did or not, and if you pay it unnecessarily you don't get a refund).
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
as an outsider who has worked extensively in the logistics of bringing you lonnoners the shite your too lazy to come and collect yourselves, I can tell you that the imposition of the congestion charge was a cost passed straight onto the customer.
Which is why the charge should go in order to bring down goods costs.
Crispy
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It would be interesting to know how close or far from the truth you are here. I'm having trouble tracking down figures for this. Citydreams?
The trouble is, if everyone was able to choose their own route, central London would seize up. There simply isn't enough road space for everyone who wants to drive through to do so.
I'd prefer to see a much more independent source of information than Citydreams quite frankly. My experience of dealing with that poster in the past is that they are so partisan that it makes me doubt the information being conveyed.
But re opening the central routes would take traffic away from places like the Euston road which has suffered tremendously since Kens congestion thievery came in.
Having recently been to Fulham and surrounds by car, I can't see why folks are so opposed to something cutting down on car use. Well I can, but the fact that every residential road is seemingly a narrow rat run bordered by Mercs, Jags and Golfs packed densely in every space, but it seems slightly paradoxical.
Honestly, it's one of the hardest places to find a parking space anywhere in the Western world. It's hardly as though tradespeople and locals can get around quickly and park willy nilly now.
Honestly, it's one of the hardest places to find a parking space anywhere in the Western world. It's hardly as though tradespeople and locals can get around quickly and park willy nilly now.
ajdown
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I think that the 70,000 figure came up somewhere in the Manchester thread that I can't be bothered wading through now.
But that's 1,000 more buses or equivalent 'arse on seat' capacity of tube trains, and I'd be fairly confident in saying that nowhere near that has materialised in the billions of money that was apparently made by the con charge. I guess that, after the company running it has taken their cut, there might have been enough to repaint one bus shelter?
But that's 1,000 more buses or equivalent 'arse on seat' capacity of tube trains, and I'd be fairly confident in saying that nowhere near that has materialised in the billions of money that was apparently made by the con charge. I guess that, after the company running it has taken their cut, there might have been enough to repaint one bus shelter?
Crispy
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I wouldn't want words from his mouth, just a TFL number on the increase in buses that came with the introduction of the C charge 7 years ago
ajdown
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... because it cuts down on the liberty of the individual to move around as they choose?
subversplat
writer of wrongs
Good, if only for the fact that by living in the congestion charge area they get a discount, which means they can drive their shit 4x4s into the centre of town cheaper.
Yes this is the reason I'm pleased that its being abolished (or not hugely disappointed) - let the people of Kensington pay the full £8 a day to go into central London rather than the 80p discounted rate.
You do of course have the option of paying it - just put it down as another cost of using a car in London
T & P
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The disappearance of Western Extension CC is actually good news for those of us who are in favour of the CC.
Hundreds of thousands of K&C residents will no longer be able to drive their vehicles to Central London during charging hours for free, and there will be fewer car movements overall, even if a few out of towners are tempted to drive into K&C.
So long as the original scheme continues (and even Boris doesn't have the balls to do anything about it; more to the point he doesn't want to, because it works) then this is not a bad thing.
Best of all will be to see all the tossers round here with their 'stop the Western CC extension' stickers realise they will no longer be able to drive their Range Rover Vogue to Mayfair for a spot of shopping without getting their wallet out and making phonecalls/ logging online to pay the Charge, once they cease to have CC resident discount
Hundreds of thousands of K&C residents will no longer be able to drive their vehicles to Central London during charging hours for free, and there will be fewer car movements overall, even if a few out of towners are tempted to drive into K&C.
So long as the original scheme continues (and even Boris doesn't have the balls to do anything about it; more to the point he doesn't want to, because it works) then this is not a bad thing.
Best of all will be to see all the tossers round here with their 'stop the Western CC extension' stickers realise they will no longer be able to drive their Range Rover Vogue to Mayfair for a spot of shopping without getting their wallet out and making phonecalls/ logging online to pay the Charge, once they cease to have CC resident discount
T & P
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And thus, a lot of us breathe and move about easier as a result.
tim
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As someone who goes to work on a 14 bus I don't want it. Why should I have to put up with my journey to work being prolonged by hordes of masochistic motorists who will now start clogging up the streets
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
No, people are still free to move around - they just have to pay the costs for their movement. Clogging up a city costs everybody, now you pay.
Before I start, don't guess you would be wrong, research is useful and people do it for a reason.
Right, here is the answer to your problems. You think that 70,000 less car journeys take mean you need 1000 more buses.
This exposes you to be intellectually challenged beyond all previous estimates.
Buses make many journeys throughout the day, people do not get on the bus in the morning and the bus get parked in central London until just after 5 when people all get on the same bus to go home and likewise the bus does not remain parked over night. Can we official call you an idiot now?
Given you didn't even know that, the next few points will be far to subtle but for the benefit of others why the 70K seats did not mean 1000K buses
The charge would encourage people combine journeys, so rather than going into London two days, they would do one trip and still achieve the same.
The charge would encourage people to go elsewhere for what they needed.
The charge would encourage people to cycle or walk.
Interesting, did you charge every customer an additional £8 when servicing multiple customers in the same day, did you also not pass on the savings of not having your drivers stuck in traffic doing nothing while still getting paid. Most companies liked it for that reason.
citydreams
on the road again
*speechless*
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/Impacts-monitoring-report-2.pdf2nd annual report said:
It appears Boris has been listening to you:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...C-charge,+Boris+Let+me+brood+on+it/article.do
ETA: Put a note on this in the Boriswatch thread too as that is an interesting complete record of what he has been up to since appointed as mayor.
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