Boris scrapping Kens travel fare freeze

[lights.out.london]

Can't we scrap the Olympics and use the money saved to keep the fares down?

And raise the hourly rates of all civic and council employees in central London.

a delicious irony is that BJ won with the votes of the commuters from zones 3-6, the very people who'll hurt most.

I guess if you live in a £3M house in Chorleywood....

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Crispy, those are current fares you are posting up, not new ones.



I am a fairly intelligent bloke, who speaks English as his first language and has an interest in transport , and *I* get confused!

When I had friends over from Ireland for four days, I told them to just get a weekly 1-2 travelcard and pay the extra for going to/from Tottenham Hale.

Figured it was much simpler than trying to explain the fares to them

 

[Oswaldtwistle]

Covent Garden to Picadilly Circus. £6.70! Bargain.

But it won't be 6.70, because the Guardian article is wrong.

I know - add on 40p I suppose

The GLA press release I linked to lists all the new and old fares

 

[untethered]

Covent Garden to Picadilly Circus. £6.70! Bargain.

Walk more, I guess. What Crispy said.

These Tube and Walk maps are good:

http://www.quickmap.com/snip5.htm

What would be even better is for the system to tell you when you're buying a ticket for a journey that would be quicker to walk.

 

[lights.out.london]

What would be even better is for the system to tell you when you're buying a ticket for a journey that would be quicker to walk.

Nice idea.

 

[newbie]

And raise the hourly rates of all civic and council employees in central London.



I guess if you live in a £3M house in Chorleywood....

yeah my post was very badly worded.... the poor will hurt most, but ykwim.....

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

These Tube and Walk maps are good:

http://www.quickmap.com/snip5.htm

What would be even better is for the system to tell you when you're buying a ticket for a journey that would be quicker to walk.

Think how much money they'd lose off poor unsuspecting tourists though

 

[lights.out.london]

yeah my post was very badly worded.... the poor will hurt most, but ykwim.....

I got your point. I agree with the sentiment. The money could be better used...

Think how much money they'd lose off poor unsuspecting tourists though

(((tourists)))

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Elderly to benefit from 24hrs Freedom Pass

Good for them. Helpful for when they have early hospital appointments etc.


























now we'll have to give up our seats on the bus even earlier

 

[dtb]

before ken froze the fare increases didn't he raise them well above the rate of inflation several times though?

 

[Oswaldtwistle]

before ken froze the fare increases didn't he raise them well above the rate of inflation several times though?

Correct. And no doubt fares will be frozen again just before the next election.

Meet new boss, same as the old boss

 

[Etymologist]

It's a typo, and a whopper at that.

The single cash fare is staying at four quid.

I wonder if I can be bothered to let them know. Maybe I'll leave that to somone else and just check tomorrows 'Corrections and Clarifications'. Problem is: how many people are going to read todays article, read the mistake for truth and then just hap upon the corrections column tommorrow and become enlightened. hardly anyone.

 

[ethel]

Covent Garden to Picadilly Circus. £6.70! Bargain.

Walk more, I guess. What Crispy said.

it's a 10 min walk!

£6.70 proved to be incorrect anyway.

no sympathy with people who are too thick to put money on an oyster anyway. my friend's boss buys a single fare every time he gets on the tube. he doesn't even understand travelcards.

 

[maldwyn]

Pity the saver-tickets are being scrapped, I found them useful when my oystercard was spent (particularly early morning before top-up shops were open).

 

[ethel]

These Tube and Walk maps are good:

http://www.quickmap.com/snip5.htm

What would be even better is for the system to tell you when you're buying a ticket for a journey that would be quicker to walk.

the new tube maps do state that charing cross and embankment are 100m apart and that leicester square and covent garden are 200m apart. also, all the stations near covent garden have posters advising people to walk there rather than get the tube.

more of this is needed/people need to think.

 

[untethered]

the new tube maps do state that charing cross and embankment are 100m apart and that leicester square and covent garden are 200m apart. also, all the stations near covent garden have posters advising people to walk there rather than get the tube.

more of this is needed/people need to think.

There is a lot of good progress in this area. The Tube map changes you mention, the Legible London pilot, etc.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Yes, but they're singles aren't they. What about a daily travelcard? I reckon the £6.90 is for a daily Zones 1-6

Probably wrong though

Currently £7 - £13.50 if you want to get somewhere before 9.30

Wasn't the fare in the paper a peak time fare, not an off peak?

 

[lights.out.london]

it's a 10 min walk!

£6.70 proved to be incorrect anyway.

no sympathy with people who are too thick to put money on an oyster anyway. my friend's boss buys a single fare every time he gets on the tube. he doesn't even understand travelcards.

5 minutes at my pace. That's why I picked it.

 

[nino_savatte]

What we need is a day of action (to paraphrase I. Paisley).

 

[doddles]

http://www.london.gov.uk/view_press_release.jsp?releaseid=18677
This is the official figures- anything else is speculation or interpretation

TUBE PEAK / OFF-PEAK TIMES

Visitors and Londoners on lower incomes will also benefit from the introduction of a new daytime off-peak and reduced fare on the Tube, from 9.30am to 4.00pm Monday to Friday.

Hang on a minute! Currently the off-peak time is after 9.30am, meaning that if visitors/locals want to go out for a day of sightseeing/shopping/whatever, they don't have to pay again until the next day.
Under the new off-peak hours, it seems you can't use the tube after 4.00pm!! How, exactly, does that constitute a "benefit"?!
Basically, for a person traveling after 10am and getting home after 4pm, that means a 2-zone travelcard price rise from £5.30 to £7.20, an increase of over 35%!! Sneaky, misleading PR

 

[ethel]

Hang on a minute! Currently the off-peak time is after 9.30am, meaning that if visitors/locals want to go out for a day of sightseeing/shopping/whatever, they don't have to pay again until the next day.
Under the new off-peak hours, it seems you can't use the tube after 4.00pm!! How, exactly, does that constitute a "benefit"?!
Basically, for a person traveling after 10am and getting home after 4pm, that means a 2-zone travelcard price rise from £5.30 to £7.20, an increase of over 35%!! Sneaky, misleading PR

i *think* it's a new off peak for oyster single fares. the current off peak period for these is before 7am and after 7pm.

i assume that the off peak period for travelcards is unaffected.

 

[untethered]

It's all very confusing, possibly intentionally.

With all this advanced technology, why can't we have a flat rate per mile depending on the time of travel?

 

[Etymologist]

Or just a flat rate per zone with no peak or off peak times.....

 

[untethered]

Or just a flat rate per zone with no peak or off peak times.....

Peak/off peak times are there to smooth demand for a scarce resource, so differential pricing is essential.

Zoning creates arbitrary price breaks that don't reflect value for the passenger. It's time they went.

 

[doddles]

i *think* it's a new off peak for oyster single fares. the current off peak period for these is before 7am and after 7pm.

i assume that the off peak period for travelcards is unaffected.

You have a lot more faith than I do in the authorities. I am betting this is a sneaky and underhanded way to get away with a major change to off-peak times, by deliberately hiding it amongst a bunch of other changes.

 

[Dead Cat Bounce]

It's a 40p per day rise on my monthly travel card, a bag of crisps if you look at it like that.

If it's going to make the Underground better then OK, if it's going to bail out Metronet then that's a different matter.

 

[Iguana]

Travelcards only start making sense at the 3-day mark, otherwise PAYG remains the cheapest way to use Oyster.

Unless a national rail train is part of your journey. Very few national rail trains allow you to use PAYG, even ones which have oyster readers, like Wimbledon to Vauxhall.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

April 2009

http://www.thelondondailynews.com/jobless-half-price-travel-p-2160.html

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

Current tube fares:

Ticket Peak Off-peak Cash
Zone 1 £1.50 £1.50 £4.00
Zones 1-2 £2.00 £1.50 £4.00
Zones 1-4 £2.50 £2.00 £4.00
Zones 1-6 £3.50 £2.00 £4.00

So, only £4 if you pay by cash. £1.50 to £2 is much more reasonable. The Paris metro costs €1.60 for a single, or £1.30. London buses are still 90p. Compared to anywhere else in the UK, London transport is cheap. Compared to elsewhere in Europe, it's expensive, but not that expensive.

I quite agree. I see the Oyster fare as being the 'correct fare'. It's amazing how many people, even people who live in London, complain about the new (post Oyster, OK I know they aren't that new now, but it's still all a bit new to me having lived abroad) cash fares, but don't appear to know about the Oyster card.

And the Metro has gone up a lot! When I lived in paris, I seem to remember that a Metro journey cost about 5 francs, or 50p, which was much cheaper than the 1.50 which the tube cost. The tube is still about that (with the oyster) but the metro is almost caught up with it.

People should live in the NorthEast (where salaries are much lower) to appreciate that London fares (if you bother getting an oyster card) aren't bad.

To go from my house in High Heaton to the centre by bus (about 15 minutes) costs 1.80.

A return from here to the cetnre by metro (about 10 mins each way) costs 3.50)

Furthermore, they complicate things here with all the different
bus companies. I might be wrong, but IIRC if you buy a bus pass in London, it covers any bus? In Newcastle, it only covers about a fifth of them, the others all have their own passes.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

Ticket Peak Off-peak
Zones 1-2 £6.80 £5.30
Zones 1-3 £8.00 n/a
Zones 1-4 £9.40 £5.90

The Oyster daily PAYG cap is 50p cheaper than the equivalent daily travelcard (which sounds crazy!)

Travelcards only start making sense at the 3-day mark, otherwise PAYG remains the cheapest way to use Oyster.

Unless you're travelling to south london. Actually that was my real gripe with oyster when i visited london. it wasn't integrated properly with the trains. So it's a real bugger if you get one, and then one of the tube lines is out and you have to go via london bridge or liverpool street. Then you have to pay again even if you've hit maximum cap on your oyster.