Boris Johnson for London mayor.

[lostexpectation]

vote for the guy that wheres a hat, hatwearing now thats tory

 

[nino_savatte]

I agree, but you presented this broad suspicion as if it were some kind of inside line:



Even though other people had already told you that they knew Johnson rode a bike when the cameras weren't around, you still seemed to think that your general suspicion was more trusworthy than other people's specific information.

If I may say so, you are a bit of a tosser as well!

So I got it wrong, is there any need to gloat or call me a "tosser"?

Prick.

 

[nino_savatte]

Well I think jumping to conclusions about somebody because of their political orientation or occupation is a bit much if you are just going to reply with "Well how was I supposed to know that".



Personally I think he's ok as a person but I'm not voting Tory any day soon. I can also see why he annoys people but he doesn't pretend to be anything he is not and is not putting on an act for the camera (like most of the politicians I interview) which I find refreshing.

Well, I don't think he's "0kay as a person" and many people on this thread only see what lies on the surface and are basing their admiration of him on his image as a "clown" and a "buffoon". I can recall another politician who used similar image tweaks to disarm the public...

 

[J77]

Hislop once said something along the lines that, Boris was dangerously stupid.

Meaning that everyone takes him for a fool and thinks he's harmless -- but you have to be a bit more than a fool to make it where he has

 

[Skim]

Hislop once said something along the lines that, Boris was dangerously stupid.

Meaning that everyone takes him for a fool and thinks he's harmless -- but you have to be a bit more of a fool to make it where he has

Precisely. Maybe I'm wrong and he hasn't cleverly crafted his image, but in any case he isn't as stupid as he looks.

 

[J77]

Of course, I should of wrote "than a fool" -- as I think Skim read it

 

[nino_savatte]

Hislop once said something along the lines that, Boris was dangerously stupid.

Meaning that everyone takes him for a fool and thinks he's harmless -- but you have to be a bit more than a fool to make it where he has

Precisely, I don't think the image squares with the real person. Tbh, I think he is quite dangerous.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Well, I don't think he's "0kay as a person" and many people on this thread only see what lies on the surface and are basing their admiration of him on his image as a "clown" and a "buffoon". I can recall another politician who used similar image tweaks to disarm the public...

OK, then don't vote for him. I'm not going to because I don't like what he stands for and I think it's as simple as that.

I would like to point out though that you complain that other people 'only see what's on the surface' yet you have made some very general assumptions about the man based solely on the fact that he is an MP.

Does he really have to have a secret evil agenda to crush London then the human race?

 

[nino_savatte]

OK, then don't vote for him. I'm not going to because I don't like what he stands for and I think it's as simple as that.

I would like to point out though that you complain that other people 'only see what's on the surface' yet you have made some very general assumptions about the man based solely on the fact that he is an MP.

Does he really have to have a secret evil agenda to crush London then the human race?

Well, what makes you think that I was going to vote for him? I said that I didn't like the man and that I found him to be "detestable and loathsome". I'm hardly likely to undergo some sort of Damascene moment and suddenly change my opinion of Johnson simply because so many on this thread think he's the bee knees...am I?

you have made some very general assumptions about the man based solely on the fact that he is an MP.

Hardly, I have based my opinion (not assumption) on what I've seen of him as a television personality and editor of The Spectator. To claim that I have based my opinion on him solely because he is "an MP" is fallacious and risible. People have confessed their love of his "clowning". Many others have referred to his carefully crafted image; these are superficialities or do you think the image goes much deeper? (as if it could)?

Does he really have to have a secret evil agenda to crush London then the human race?

FFS! Are you for real? Are you going to vote for him?

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

To claim that I have based my opinion on him solely because he is "an MP" is fallacious and risible.

Er? How about where you said

Like Cameron, Johnson's bike-riding is little more than a PR stunt.

Don't believe the hype!

And when I said it wasn't and he had been a keen cyclist for years, you said

Well, how would I know that? He's a politician with a very big mouth and an even larger ego. Whenever I see high-profile politicians cycling or involved in something 'green', I always suspect the motives that ma lay behind the actions. Politicians are fond of photo ops and, in that regard, Johnson is no different to the others.

I concede that it's fairly obvious that your opinion on him is not based solely on the fact that he is an MP (you also think he is a twat from what you have seen on TV, fair enough) but you have been basing your opinions about politicians on the general assumptions that you are making. I don't think that's fair. Tarring all from one walk of life/profession/religion/race/area with the same brush, can be more dangerous than a rather intelligent man who looks like a bit of a tit on the telly.

FFS! Are you for real? Are you going to vote for him?

I have already said that I would never vote for him. I've based this on his political orientation and the fact that I don't think he's up to the job.

 

[nino_savatte]

Er? How about where you said


And when I said it wasn't and he had been a keen cyclist for years, you said



I concede that it's fairly obvious that your opinion on him is not based solely on the fact that he is an MP (you also think he is a twat from what you have seen on TV, fair enough) but you have been basing your opinions about politicians on the general assumptions that you are making. I don't think that's fair. Tarring all from one walk of life/profession/religion/race/area with the same brush, can be more dangerous than a rather intelligent man who looks like a bit of a tit on the telly.



I have already said that I would never vote for him. I've based this on his political orientation and the fact that I don't think he's up to the job.

If you recall, I already corrected my position on his bike riding. In case you didn't see it, kyser soze kindly put me right. So there is no need to labour the point - okay?

I concede that it's fairly obvious that your opinion on him is not based solely on the fact that he is an MP

You've changed your tune; you said to me that I had "made some very general assumptions about the man based solely on the fact that he is an MP". So what if I'd have said "I don't like his political orientation (which I don't) would you have still been as keen to criticise my loathing of Johnson?

You're still hung up on this notion of "assumptions". I have "assumed" nothing.

 

[bluestreak]

Boris for mayor. I can see this putting a few Tory noses out of joint, the hardworking but low-profile people that have been chasing the candidacy for months.

If a Tory gets elected, it'll certainly be a good test of how green the party is now.

Whoever gets in, I'd like to see moves towards toning down the commercialism of the city. While all cities have an economic base and London is a particularly significant commercial centre, there are places in which those considerations override all others (eg. in planning). Stricter control on public advertising would be very good.

let me get this straight.

you'd vote TORY, but desire a TORY to reduce commercialisation in the city? why not attempt to lower london's murder rate by increasing the amount of armed gangs on our street.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

If you recall, I already corrected my position on his bike riding. In case you didn't see it, kyser soze kindly put me right. So there is no need to labour the point - okay?


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I only did it because you asked. Yes I saw Kyser put you right but you did still ask for an example of yourself making an assumption about MPs. I thought you must have forgotten about it.

 

[nino_savatte]

I only did it because you asked. Yes I saw Kyser put you right but you did still ask for an example of yourself making an assumption about MPs. I thought you must have forgotten about it.

But would you deny that politicians use opportunities to promote themselves?

 

[DJ Squelch]

Bump, Well you heard it from me first I never thought when I started this thread a year ago that he'd actually become London mayor.

I'm already receiving text messages from Londoners asking if they can come stay with me in Brighton for the next 4 years.

 

[toblerone3]

I think it's a great idea! It would be a fucking funny contest because he's such a joke also the Tories would have no chance of winning it too!

Kid Eternity got it so wrong.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

I'm well aware of such things, but even those are often tainted by commercialism.

I'll have to think up some specific proposals, but restricting Sunday trading further, limiting opening hours generally, banning street advertising would all be steps in the right direction.

London's main problem always has been, until about the last 8 years, that it was astoundingly parochial when it came to opening hours. I remember in the mid 90s when it was nigh on impossible to get a drink after 11pm. I recall once walking from Camden Town to Swiss Cottage just to buy some cans of beer from the one shop within a fifteen mile radius that sold beer after hours, and then sit on a verge next to the road and drink our beers.

Thank fuck that's changed, and London now has loads of 24 hour shops, late bars, etc.

It's pathetic that a city which is meant to be one of the 'world cities' can be so crap when it comes to opening hours. The rectification of that recently is one way in which it's majorly improved.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

let me get this straight.

you'd vote TORY, but desire a TORY to reduce commercialisation in the city? why not attempt to lower london's murder rate by increasing the amount of armed gangs on our street.

Sounds like an old fashioned paternalistic pre Thatcher tory.

 

[toblerone3]

Renegade Dog's post don't seem to take account of the ten month gap between posts 104 and 105

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Kid Eternity got it so wrong.

Meh...