Both. There's something unique about the originals though, in their capacity to be ridiculous and brilliant at the same time.
Bob James' Nautilus - crap/not crap?
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Both. There's something unique about the originals though, in their capacity to be ridiculous and brilliant at the same time.
butchersapron
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Ou est la dilemma ma chickadee?
danny la rouge
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This is where people will see post modern irony, to be fair, mate.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
you seem very angry about something
It's history of being sampled is a secondary observation, really.
More important whether people think it's crap or not, in 2009.
danny la rouge
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Does its inherent cheesiness besmirch the music it is sampled in?
This is where people will see post modern irony, to be fair, mate.
Where's the irony in that?
butchersapron
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Yeah it's shit (GBTOC)
Hooray!!
butchersapron
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No. No one thinks it does. Therfore no dilemna.
danny la rouge
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Classic irony: it says one thing but means another.
No it bloody doesn't!
danny la rouge
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The cheesy Rhodes piano and cheesy harmonic ideas of the composition are, according to you, combining to say 'brilliance', whilst conveying incontrovertible 'ridiculousness'.
If that is not a definition of irony in art, I don't know what is.
Aren't you mixing the assumed intentions behind the music with the result? The resultant tune is IMO both brilliant and ridiculous, and I don't say that with the presumption that such qualities should cancel each other out. It's ridiculousness forms an integral part of its brilliance.
Now let's dance about some architecture.
danny la rouge
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It was you who said the music was simultaneously brilliant and ridiculous, not me. I'm not getting tied up in what was meant and what wasn't meant. Shakespeare employed dramatic irony by letting the audience know things the characters didn't. This was intended. Did James intend to convey both ridiculousness and brilliance, or is that just in the ear of the beholder? Doesn't matter. (Well, if the former it's standard irony, if the latter it's PoMo irony, I suppose).
But I didn't even bring up the question of what was "meant" in the first place.
butchersapron
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Read you own OP
danny la rouge
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But it doesn't matter.
Yes. It does. An ironic appreciation would be implied from a statement praising its effects despite a non-credible creation. A flat appreciation would simply note its absurd nature as part of the reasons why it's good. Since when do the terms "ridiculous" and "absurd" have to carry connotations that they're inevitable causes for contempt? Intention just doesn't come into it.
danny la rouge
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i feel that my answer, whilst entirely on topic, has nothing to do with the thread.
Which is a source of some confusion.
danny la rouge
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Yes; the meaning of "irony".
and only the first three seconds of that!
need to do some deleting off my hard-drive, i think...
If I don't care what the intentions were behind the creation of a tune, given that I cannot know for sure what they are, where is the irony in praising it for its varied selection of qualities?
You're applying your standards of music appreciation to others with no justification.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
some jazz funk is ace - expansions and unicorn especially
this is true though.
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