BNP....

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Is this not just a trolling attempt, where someone starts a thread by pretending to be interested or ignorant, and then sits back and watches what ensues?

It's not exactly a brilliant troll if everyone happily agrees with each other and takes great pleasure in shitting all over the BNP (yet again). A good troll (aka 'shit-stirring') creates divisions and massive endless arguments where people get really angry and spend endless pages denouncing the OP and then each other. This thread doesn't really look like that at the moment.

...everyone apears to jump on this 'rascist' thing first and foremost...

It's spelt "racist": "race" + "-ist", drop the middle "e".

Lets face it,the Lab/Lib/Cons lot aren't doing this country much good are they ?? Look at the pickle we're in right now,for instance.

Well if you are from "near wakefield" then in the European elections you also have the following choices that are not "Lab/Lib/Cons":

Christian Party
English Democrats
Jury Team
Green
Pro-Democracy: Libertas.eu
NO2EU
Socialist Labour
UKIP

You can easily look them up on wikipedia.

 

[cesare]

No,It is not a 'trolling attempt' ! You are jumping to conclusions. I happen to have been off doing other things,that's all.
I have been looking at the BNP myself,but there is so much stuff out there that I just thought that I'd ask the good people on here.
I asked the question really,because everyone apears to jump on this 'rascist' thing first and foremost. They also align them with the Nazi's ! I think that's a bit harsh,personally. I haven't delved into the BNP in depth (yet),but I don't think that they're as bad as the Nazi's ! They are not after 'world domination' are they ??
Lets face it,the Lab/Lib/Cons lot aren't doing this country much good are they ?? Look at the pickle we're in right now,for instance.

Which aspects of the BNP's objectives are you finding appealing?

 

[danny la rouge]

They also align them with the Nazi's ! I think that's a bit harsh,personally.

It's not "harsh"; it's inaccurate. The BNP aren't Nazis, they're fascists. There's a difference. For example, Franco was a fascist, but not a Nazi. The BNP fits the bill for fascism. (Look it up).

Why are the BNP always referred to as racist? Because they are. They grew out of the National Front, they espouse racist policies, their constitution restricts membership to 'Indigenous Caucasians', their leader has espoused antisemitic views and holocaust denial. And so on.

Do people 'fear' them? I think revile and despise would be more accurate.

 

[purplex]

I don't think that they're as bad as the Nazi's ! They are not after 'world domination' are they ??

How overt were the nazis about their own plans for world domination prior to coming to power do you think?
Maybe I should phrase this better, that Nick Griffin he does have a bit of a Doctor Evil look about him dont you think? y'know, the dicky eye, wouldn't look too out of place in an austin powers movie. Could you vote for someone like that?

 

[trevhagl]

No,It is not a 'trolling attempt' ! You are jumping to conclusions. I happen to have been off doing other things,that's all.
I have been looking at the BNP myself,but there is so much stuff out there that I just thought that I'd ask the good people on here.
I asked the question really,because everyone apears to jump on this 'rascist' thing first and foremost. They also align them with the Nazi's ! I think that's a bit harsh,personally. I haven't delved into the BNP in depth (yet),but I don't think that they're as bad as the Nazi's ! They are not after 'world domination' are they ??
Lets face it,the Lab/Lib/Cons lot aren't doing this country much good are they ?? Look at the pickle we're in right now,for instance.

Then again the original nazis didn't exactly say in THEIR leaflets "vote for us and we'll gas millions of jews" did they?

 

[trevhagl]

It's not "harsh"; it's inaccurate. The BNP aren't Nazis, they're fascists. There's a difference. For example, Franco was a fascist, but not a Nazi. The BNP fits the bill for fascism. (Look it up).

Why are the BNP always referred to as racist? Because they are. They grew out of the National Front, they espouse racist policies, their constitution restricts membership to 'Indigenous Caucasians', their leader has espoused antisemitic views and holocaust denial. And so on.

Do people 'fear' them? I think revile and despise would be more accurate.

Nearly all of their top brass idolise Hitler, isn't that nazi enough?

 

[pk]

Nearly all of their top brass idolise Hitler, isn't that nazi enough?

This one's even got Griffin's haircut. Or should that be the other way round?

 

[pk]

Oh, and we should prevent such beautiful specimens of white pride from being genetically diluted, yes...?

 

[Voley]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...tion-leaflet-are-actually-Italian-models.html
The Bnp trollers are making themselves look like right fucking morons on Digitalspys politicial forum

I do like that the typical Britons they've used are actually Italian models who've only ever visited Britain as tourists. Typical. Models, eh? They stay over there, taking our jobs ...

 

[pk]

Loving the fact that the BNP used a Polish Spitfire to grace the cover of their infantile Battle for Britain - Immigrants Out leaflet, too.



http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/04/polish_spitfire/

Is being retarded a required part of the job if you want to work for the BNP's marketing wing - or is there someone there on the inside deliberately making blatant and hilarious mistakes just to make people laugh?

The last major example of the Polish coming over here and taking our jobs was, as the Telegraph notes, during the aforementioned Battle of Britain when their pilots accounted for 203 Luftwaffe aircraft - roughly "12 per cent of total German losses".

You really couldn't make it up.

 

[Voley]

It's worth a look, that BNP advert, if only to admire the production values that Brooker lampoons. 'Amateurish' doesn't begin to describe it.

 

[pk]

Oh it gets better - OK this is the Scum, but I trust the Scum more than the BNP.

Get this: their propaganda magazine is apparently printed by a Saudi owned Muslim firm.

THE far right BNP has its newspaper printed by an ARAB firm, because no British company will touch it.

The party’s monthly propaganda rag, The Voice of Freedom, is published by Satellite Graphics Ltd, which is Saudi owned and staffed by Muslims.

The Essex-based firm took over the work last February when the previous publisher rejected it.

BNP activist Phil Edwards said: “We didn’t know about them being Arab owned.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article105094.ece

 

[editor]

That Charlie Brooker article is an excellent read.

 

[dlx1]

BNP leaflets on door mat today.

No Immigration & Unemployment.

what that mean unemployment they going to stop benefits for unemployment ?

 

[butchersapron]

It says No TO Immigration & Unemployment.

 

[Fruitloop]

One thing living in China has confirmed is that I do have more in common with working class Chinese people than rich Englishmen, so surprised you think differently.
The socio-economic and historical factors that construct class turn out not to be "arbitrary," certainly not any more so than those that construct the idea of shared belonging to a nation-state.

Exactly this ^

 

[dennisr]

Do people 'fear' them? I think revile and despise would be more accurate.

I think a few of the suckers falling for the BNP and media line about the 'threat' are going to get a shock to find out they would last about a minute in the real world. We learnt our lessons back in WW2.

Some sad feck wrote "the BNP are coming your time is up" in marker in the starwell of my flats. Apart from the fact that this coward a) does not have the guts to walk around elephant and castle with a BNP t-shirt on in public and b) is making our lives and environment even more shitty with his purile graffiti you have to wonder at the level of illusion and self-delusion involved.

What a limited life the knucklehead must have if that's how low his sights are set. Most of us have bigger issues to worry about than 'the darkies' or whatever these sad fecks obsess over. its the rebellion of the defeated and bitter and thick

I mean what is going to change? how is 'our time up'? - Just another bunch of shyster politicians donning suits - there is no serious policies and solutions on offer on how to deal with economic crisis, housing, education. job security etc etc - just obsessive race, race race. How many people really believe all our 'problems' are due to multiculturalism or some such? (evne the bigots among us...) They want to manage the same shitty system. And frankly how do they think they actually manage that system - given the opposition they have already - before they have even exposed their real agenda of hate and division, before they even have the whiff of 'power'.

Its the illusion of 'rebeliousness' donned by a set of particularly idiotic politicians who are out for themselves before any worker - white or otherwise.

 

[Sootysoots]

Iirc, the Nazis weren't specifically after world domination. Rather their economics were flawed and had to take 'liebensraum' to plug the whole.

 

[dennisr]

And because they are cunts:

re-posted from another thread:

BNP shoots itself in the foot:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...harry-only-got-medal-because-he-is-black.html [/QUOTE]

 

[ericjarvis]

O.K. Try again. I tried to ask this in another place ,but was told to put it elsewhere...so I will !

Why is everyone so derisory towards / scared of the BNP ??
Reasoned answers only,please !

Derisory. Because they are stupid and prey on the stupidity of others. Because the most effective way to deal with fascism is to rip the piss out of the dumb fucks. Nuff said.

Scared. Not a chance. They are still pissing in the wind as they have been all my life. At worst they are an unfortunate nuisance. Mostly they are just stupid. Every time some BNP wanker has a go at threatening me I just have a good laugh at the poor deluded tosser.

If you want a more expansive answer see God only knows how many other Usenet and bulletin board posts over the last fifteen years.

 

[ViolentPanda]

O.K. Try again. I tried to ask this in another place ,but was told to put it elsewhere...so I will !

Why is everyone so derisory towards / scared of the BNP ??
Reasoned answers only,please !

I'm derogatory of them because their policies are based around a core of fascism, however much they try to dress it up in cod-inclusive language.

I'm not scared of the BNP, although I am worried that their presence in mainstream politics may lead to larger parties "lifting" some BNP rhetoric and/or policies (as happened before with the NF and the Conservatives) if they believe there's a net gain in doing so. I really don't want hard-rightism legitimated in the UK political arena. There's too much that could go very wrong.

 

[ViolentPanda]

No,It is not a 'trolling attempt' ! You are jumping to conclusions. I happen to have been off doing other things,that's all.
I have been looking at the BNP myself,but there is so much stuff out there that I just thought that I'd ask the good people on here.
I asked the question really,because everyone apears to jump on this 'rascist' thing first and foremost. They also align them with the Nazi's ! I think that's a bit harsh,personally. I haven't delved into the BNP in depth (yet),but I don't think that they're as bad as the Nazi's ! They are not after 'world domination' are they ??

Neither were the Nazis.
The politics of the BNP are fascist, more accurately "neo-fascist", an odd fusion of US "New Right" philosophy, Euro-right political pragmatism and Mosleyite aggression, so you've got everything in their political mix from "Blood and Soil" to "racial" elitism.

Lets face it,the Lab/Lib/Cons lot aren't doing this country much good are they ?? Look at the pickle we're in right now,for instance.

The BNP wouldn't, though, be any better, because they offer no credible alternative (despite the cosmetic changes they call for or offer) to what is basically "establishment neo-liberal politics as usual".

 

[dennisr]

I'm not scared of the BNP, although I am worried that their presence in mainstream politics may lead to larger parties "lifting" some BNP rhetoric and/or policies (as happened before with the NF and the Conservatives)

yep, good point

 

[ViolentPanda]

yep, good point

And yet not a point many of the "the BNP are no threat" crowd seem to "get", because they're too busy thinking in terms of the BNP winning council seats, not in terms of them influencing the political discourse.

 

[tbaldwin]

O.K. Try again. I tried to ask this in another place ,but was told to put it elsewhere...so I will !

Why is everyone so derisory towards / scared of the BNP ??
Reasoned answers only,please !

Well for a start people are derisory because the BNP come across as a sad bunch of social misfits...
They have always attracted an odd bunch of sex offenders and race obsessives. These days more normalish people are voting and joining the BNP because some of the things they say make sense on the surface. But below the surface they are well out to lunch.

Some people are scared of the BNP because they think that votes for a racist party encourage individual acts of violent and non violent racism and mean that working class people are spilt on ridiculous lines.

I think given the hiistory of this country that the BNPs nazi background means they will always be a bit of a joke party. But a new party on the political right that does not have the BNPs nazi baggage could be a genuine threat.
UKIP could do very well in the EU elections and then who knows?

 

[kyser_soze]

because everyone apears to jump on this 'rascist' thing first and foremost

Yeah, cos racism is a good thing, right? Why would people focus on something like racism as opposed to their other retarded policies like 'All building materials must be locally sourced'

 

[frogwoman]

This one's even got Griffin's haircut. Or should that be the other way round?

wtf lol

 

[DotCommunist]

I know, that cock is way to big to accuretly represent Griffins micropenis

 

[ViolentPanda]

I know, that cock is way to big to accuretly represent Griffins micropenis

I'm sure I remember reading somewhere (I think it was a book about the details of Nazi racial classification) that the "ideal" Aryan penis was 7" erect.

 

[Jayen4]

Don't know if you've been here for a while, but generally the idea is that if you're keen on kicking out people from "your country" on the basis of skin colour or passport origin, then you're a cunt and you'll be treated like one.

No further explanation needed.

I hope you aren't like that.

O.K. Let me try to explain my views to (all of) you...

I do not base my (polictical,for want of a better word) views on someones skin colour. No,I base my views on how 'foreign people' treat this country....i.e. their attitude.
Lets start with the 'Asians'...pakistani's and Indians... Quite a lot of them 'use' this country as a 'cash cow',they do not respect this country. I have in fact been told personally (by a Pakistani) that one day,they will rule us in our own country ! Indeed,some of them want Sharia (sp?) law for everyone in this country (even the white people)!! They do not respect the white british people. The younger generation in particular are way too arrogant,with respect to this.
The Serbs/croations etc..... They too,generally have a poor attitude to this country and ceratain pockets of them are too ready to get into criminal behaviour.
The Polish generally keep a lower profile,but a lot of them have been over here purely for the better wages. I have noticed that recently,a lot of them have been returning to Poland,now that their economy has improved.
Of the others,Somali's etc etc....Why are they all intent on coming to this particular country ?
So....I think that ANY foreigner who comes to this country,should abide by our rules and laws,not try to impose their own culture on MY country, If they're working here,then they should support this economy,not be sending everything they can back to their own country. (Instance: A Pakistani fella that I know,who runs his own crash repair garage,every year,he works for so many months and then goes back to Pakistsan for 3 months,specifically to avoid paying any tax). Is that supporting this country ?
Any of them that are found to be connected with anything illegal or terrorism,should be removed from the country permanently. That Abu Hamsa (is that him?) and his likes,who are openly spouting about attacking this country should be shot on sight imo !
So,what I'm saying is that any foreigner (of whatever skin colour) should respect this country and try to fit in,not be trying to subvert us.
As for supporting the BNP.....I have identified certain things in their speeches (policies) that seem to align with my personal views. Certain things that they say and do,DO concern me somewhat,but I am still at the 'investigation' stage with them. At the moment ,I view them as a 'Nationalist' (i.e. Looking out for Britain first) party and that's what I'm looking for. I believe that we should remove ourselves from 'Europe' completely. That doesn't prevent us from doing trade with them......It's just that WE should be in control of this country,not some european 'super state' ! Our current government is totally crap,in my view !

I know that I ramble a bit and that I'm all over the place,but I hope you now understand my beliefs and motives.