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BNP win Swanley by-election
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I don't know how they came to choose that particular library image, but the quality of journalism these days leaves a lot to be desired.
JHE
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From the Indy article:
It is the first time the BNP has won an election in a southern English county...
Really? Are Essex & Hertfordshire not southern English counties?I would have thought the Deputy Political Editor of a 'quality newspaper' would take a few minutes to learn a little about a subject before putting fingers to keyboard, but... apparently, it's not like that. Nigel Morris is a silly man.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
JHE
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A possible explanation for the confused journalism has occurred to me.
Perhaps it started with somebody noting that the BNP's little victory in Swanley is its first win in the area which in the European Elections is the South East constituency. (Essex and Hertfordshire are in the Eastern region, rather than the South East, and London is, of course, London.)
That (true) point could well have been picked up, but garbled, by journos on the Indy or in the Beeb.
Perhaps it started with somebody noting that the BNP's little victory in Swanley is its first win in the area which in the European Elections is the South East constituency. (Essex and Hertfordshire are in the Eastern region, rather than the South East, and London is, of course, London.)
That (true) point could well have been picked up, but garbled, by journos on the Indy or in the Beeb.
liampreston
Spend time, not money
It's the BNPs first council win in the Euro region of South East England, iirc.
On the substantive point, I think we are all sick of the "fight the fash" message which seems to consist of newspaper sales and shouting "Nazi scum" at vote counts. I understand that recent by-elections have seen all three mainstream parties - one of which I am a member - spend more time talking about race and religion than bin collections and school parking places. Consequently, the BNP do or say nothing on-line, do or say nothing in the local press, but rather spend the two or three months acting like a normal, mainstream, ordinary party doing doorstep canvassing. And this is how they are winning.
Cumbria? Recently almost win a seat there from a standing start. Boston in Lincolnshire - won from a standing start. Swanley - won from a standing start. And how? By not being the BNP "externally", if I can use that word. Their attitude is now far more cunning - they've nicked blue handwritten letters from the LibDems, they're spending more time on parish councils and ommunity boards than ever before, they're not always talking about mosques and immigration, because the BNP are getting their best results when they stand back and watch the mainstream parties and far-left running around talking almost exlusively abour racism.
Deal with the BNP by talking about the issues, not playing the race card. Becuase nowadays the far-right (at least, the BNP that I know of) have learned how best to make the far-left look like obsessive race card carrying extremists.
On the substantive point, I think we are all sick of the "fight the fash" message which seems to consist of newspaper sales and shouting "Nazi scum" at vote counts. I understand that recent by-elections have seen all three mainstream parties - one of which I am a member - spend more time talking about race and religion than bin collections and school parking places. Consequently, the BNP do or say nothing on-line, do or say nothing in the local press, but rather spend the two or three months acting like a normal, mainstream, ordinary party doing doorstep canvassing. And this is how they are winning.
Cumbria? Recently almost win a seat there from a standing start. Boston in Lincolnshire - won from a standing start. Swanley - won from a standing start. And how? By not being the BNP "externally", if I can use that word. Their attitude is now far more cunning - they've nicked blue handwritten letters from the LibDems, they're spending more time on parish councils and ommunity boards than ever before, they're not always talking about mosques and immigration, because the BNP are getting their best results when they stand back and watch the mainstream parties and far-left running around talking almost exlusively abour racism.
Deal with the BNP by talking about the issues, not playing the race card. Becuase nowadays the far-right (at least, the BNP that I know of) have learned how best to make the far-left look like obsessive race card carrying extremists.
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
yeah and then he will make a documentry about it probably for channel 4 and use it all to promote his book.
From what media coverage i have seen the main issue appears to be wheteher this is true or not has nothing to do with the local asda monument but rather housing- as the housing that has been built under newshamebore has really all been for middleclass class professionals which is why imo the media seem content to just report the housing issue as a whole as an immigrantion issue and we all know who the winners are from this approach to reporting on the issue of housing - the far right - in short the real winners under newshamebore and the current economi cmeltdown have been the professional middle classess who have there cake and eat it while everyone else is left to fight over the scrapsAnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Is it possible that far from deterring people, this might have made voting for the BNP more legitimate?
I mean, lots of people were quite appalled at the thought that respectable types like doctors, lawyers and teachers were on the membership list, so the automatic assumption might have been that it would deter people, because a lot of their supporters are closet-supporters, and new supporters might not want to risk being identified after one leak had already happened.
But is it possible that instead, some sympathisers and fellow travellers have taken comfort, not from the leak, but the publicity about the other 'respectable' people who are members, and they maybe think, well, other teachers are members, maybe that means I can sign the dotted line, too, or if not sign the dotted line, then vote for them in a secret ballot in a local election.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yep, it's certainly possible - i think it's more likely to have had no little or no effect at all on voting (on open membership it might be different).
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
at my uni, they've been debating a no platform policy, only to discover if they had one, it would breach the regulations of the uni.
i don't know. i used to be in favour of no platform, but i think that it's something that can only work if the bnp are not an acceptable party anyway (and if the government aren't saying the same type of stuff as the bnp). after all, why does something like "british jobs for british workers" to take a random example, said by gordon brown become OK when he says it, but when the fash say it it's unacceptable?
i don't know. i used to be in favour of no platform, but i think that it's something that can only work if the bnp are not an acceptable party anyway (and if the government aren't saying the same type of stuff as the bnp). after all, why does something like "british jobs for british workers" to take a random example, said by gordon brown become OK when he says it, but when the fash say it it's unacceptable?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
IMO it's the need to be able to talk about issues "out in the open" that has always stopped me from taking a "no platform" stance. To use your example, if you "no platform" the BNP, how can you find out/analyse whether their "British jobs for British workers" holds the same meaning as Gordon Brown's, and then call attention to the similarities and/or differences?
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