BNP Victory Rally

[Pickman's model]

Hi PM.
AFA didnt just do the silly march thru Bethnal green, they also held a couple of well attended events at brick lane, a public meeting at Whitechapel and other stuff to push their brand.
They started to get more and more publicity including a panorama special on the BNP in the East end before the SWP tried to get in on the act.

The more publicity the BNP got the more support came their way. I think the tactics used by most of the left groups at that time helped the BNP to grow into what they are now....And it also helped the far Left to remain where they are now....

so: 1993 - derek beackon elected in isle of dogs - it was afa what done it?

surprising then that the bnp had fuck all electoral success prior to sept 1993
and indeed for the ensuing six years. if anyone set out to big up the threat from fascists, it was people like the anl, national black caucus, ken livingstone's mob and assorted trots. am i the only one to remember when the anl/swp claimed the bnp were going to take brixton? leading to me and other anti-fascists being taken for nf when we were heading down to the 121. the largest anti-bnp event of the 1990s was the oct 1993 welling do, which afa had not played a part in organising. throughout the 1990s, the bnp and their sometime mates in c18 made an annual trip to the west end to attack the bloody sunday demonstration: including one year when about 600 (six hundred) fash were nicked. bigging up the threat? there was a threat, to be sure, but it was beaten off the streets by people like afa, and it was not until tyndall was ousted and griffin took over that the bnp we now know took shape. your analysis is sadly facile.

 

[bouncer_the_dog]

If the BNP are advertising an event to be picketed so they can look hard doneby surely its best to send a group from The Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society, they would be too good a target for the BNP to beat up and then the revers situation would have happened.

 

[Grandma Death]

Its a red herring I've no doubt.

 

[e19896]

Its a red herring I've no doubt.

Saturday at 12 noon and let the nazis know they're not welcome. The New Kimberley is at 585-589 New South Promenade, Blackpool FY4 1NQ. The demo will be directly in front of it.

http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/​

Seems not, and here is not to tell more but in the know people will know what needs doing here:

 

[liampreston]

I have some friends in the local UAF (no, really I have)

They are of the understanding that there is an event on the Friday night prior to the weekend (so this Friday), but dunno where they've got this info from.

The weekend's all over the Blackpool Gazette , too.

 

[tbaldwin]

This sounds dangerously like an attempt at a theory that AFA was resposible for the BNPs success , doesn't it?

I think some of the tactics they used did help the BNP. Holding large scale events that focused on them as the problem also helped them attract new supporters and keep their existing supporters.
AFA grew as they did more stuff like Reclaim the Lane etc but so did the BNP...

 

[CUMBRIANDRAGON]

I can remember derren browne doing an experiment one time. The experiment was telling a girl not to press a lever.
In the end she just had to press it because she had been told to not to press the lever so many times.
She said afterwards she could not stop herself.

Derren explained that to continue to tell someone not to do something pushes them to do it.

If you tell people not to vote for the bnp eventually they will vote bnp.

 

[JHE]

...to continue to tell someone not to do something pushes them to do it.

The nature of the forbidden action has a big influence on its resistibility or irresistibility, you know.

Case 1: You can tell me not to drink washing up liquid, not to eat raw rats, not to walk naked into town and not to jump out of a seventh floor window as many times as you like. I won't. Honest. I won't

Case 2: If, on the other hand, you tell me not to drink too much beer, not to laze around all day, not to eat sheesh kebabs, not to go to the cinema and never to waste money on holidays, I just might disobey you from time to time.

I guess voting BNP lies somewhere between the two cases.

 

[Fictionist]

If you have something against the BNP offer yourself to the vote.

((Waits))

 

[JHE]

What does "offer yourself to the vote" mean?

 

[moon23]

maybe it means stand and see if you beat them in an election? i feel another BNP propaganda victory coming on. As poor facist gets hit by eggs as they just want to speak to ordinary people

 

[moon23]

maybe a silent protest would be a tactic to try out i hear its popular in Iran at the moment

 

[JHE]

maybe it means stand and see if you beat them in an election?

Yes, in the sober light of day I'm pretty certain that's what it means. It's a slightly odd comment to make, though, and not only in its wording. It's not as if BNP candidates were unopposed.

I think the egg throwing is a load of bollocks and probably has more to do with little gaggles of Trots and their chums having to feel they are doing something and having some 'activity' (stunt) to offer their recruits. Come on, keen young prospective Social Workers! Come and smash eggs on the Naaaaaaartzeees!

 

[JimPage]

Press reports 4 BNP arrested outside hotel for inciting racial hatred

 

[Garcia Lorca]

Press reports 4 BNP arrested outside hotel for inciting racial hatred

doesnt say bnp... 4 not on the protest, a good chance they will be but they could just be passing knuckle draggers

 

[The39thStep]

They were 4 members of the BFF including Wigan Mike. Ironically the BNP wouldn't let them in the rally.

 

[audiotech]

They were 4 members of the BFF including Wigan Mike. Ironically the BNP wouldn't let them in the rally.

The BNP would prefer them to do their dirty work for them outside, as that was where the anti-fascists were.

Reportedly two of those arrested are remarkably similar in appearance to a couple of BNP security at last years RW&B festival?

 

[The39thStep]

The BNP would prefer them to do their dirty work for them outside, as that was where the anti-fascists were.

Reportedly two of those arrested are remarkably similar in appearance to a couple of BNP security at last years RW&B festival?

Well its Wigan Mike , a 16 year old and a couple of 20 year olds. The first two I think we can safely rule out and I would very much doubt whether the other two have ever had anything to do with BNP security as it was BNP security who refused them admission to the hotel where the rally took place.Their pictures were on the BFF website btw.