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Azrael23 said:
Very true, The government should demand a public IQ test for all BNP members and lets see where they stand.

The cartoons were obviously released to cause racial tension. History is always repeating itself it would seem.

However this issue does seem to be calming down, so hopefully the BNP leaflet won't cause the uproar that they're hoping for.

I think if the BNP put out the leaflet in white areas they'll be seen, probably by loads of people, as shit stirrers who are endangering the peace.
 
That's an excellent analysis, Fred, and that's the kind of thing I've been warning about (on other sites) for quite a while...
 
big footed fred said:
Just more of the above.

More riots
More anti muslim feeling
More BNP membership.
More votes.

The more that the stupid end of the muslim groups riot and the more the daft end of left wing politics rant on about open borders the more the BNP love it.

The lefty tosspots ranting on about can't have black boards or black bin liners the more the BNP just sit back and smirk.Odd that these are the people that will get the BNP into power.
Wonder if it's a plot in the same way Hitler used the national socialists to gain a far right wing government.

Most of those stories were bollocks - The black binliners story was fabricated by the Sun. I'm sure there were bonkers anti-racist initiatives, but not to that extent.

Anyway it's all white boards now.. perhaps we should protest at this blatant racism....
 
mutley said:
Most of those stories were bollocks - The black binliners story was fabricated by the Sun. I'm sure there were bonkers anti-racist initiatives, but not to that extent.

Anyway it's all white boards now.. perhaps we should protest at this blatant racism....

try asking for a black bag in sheffield - you will get corrected to bin liner

Nutty as a fruit cake the lot of them.
 
mutley said:
Perhaps they should team up with the AWL and save on the printing bill...

you noticed that too, did you?
i read an article called 'the Alliance for White Liberty' on deadmenleft blog.
oh dear oh dear oh dear.
the BNP will be saying they support nationalist-Zionism next and that it's not Jews they're after, but Muslims :rolleyes: it's getting a bit too Orwellian in here for my liking :confused: the more i look, the more similarities i see.
 
mutley said:
I think if the BNP put out the leaflet in white areas they'll be seen, probably by loads of people, as shit stirrers who are endangering the peace.
Is the peace so fragile?
 
CUMBRIANDRAGON said:
There may not be a fatwa but I bet alot of muslims would kill him if they got the chance.Should we rejoice if the muslims go round killing members of the bnp?



No.
 
big footed fred said:
Just more of the above.

More riots
More anti muslim feeling
More BNP membership.
More votes.

The more that the stupid end of the muslim groups riot and the more the daft end of left wing politics rant on about open borders the more the BNP love it.

The lefty tosspots ranting on about can't have black boards or black bin liners the more the BNP just sit back and smirk.
Odd that these are the people that will get the BNP into power.
Wonder if it's a plot in the same way Hitler used the national socialists to gain a far right wing government.

What are you supportive of Strasserism now.
That would be a bit of an oversimplification of the night of the long knives.

Although you have used absurd examples, that the left were naive and misguided in the way that they attempted to deal with these issues, do you
think that Generic Engineering is non - existant, that racism does'nt exist in society and that other cultural groups are not discriminated against in this way?
 
Nigel said:
What are you supportive of Strasserism now.
That would be a bit of an oversimplification of the night of the long knives.

Although you have used absurd examples, that the left were naive and misguided in the way that they attempted to deal with these issues, do you
think that Strasserismis non - existant, that racism does'nt exist in society and that other cultural groups are not discriminated against in this way?

What the fuck are you injecting ?
Can you please show me any post I have made in any thread that says I don't believe racism exists towards any group including white groups.

I have been called a racist many time as a result of my view that the open door policy is a load of old bollocks that can't work. It's a daft left idea that tries to get redistribution of weath in by the back door. It's not a matter of race - it's down to the fact it would bankrupt the blooding country if we take all and sundry and pay them to hang around in their free houses.

I have seen and been part of racist attacks but never on the side of the bastards that do it. The next time you call me a fucking racist ask yourself if you have ever taken the people from a burnt out take away and put them up until they could find their own place again.
Or perhaps you have hidden a bunch of hard working but illegal foreign nationals from the police after a fight caused by a couple af racist bastards outside a night club who lost the fucking fight they started and moaned to the cops.
Have you ever done that ?
I fucking have so go fuck off you stupid cunt. :mad:
 
big footed fred said:
The next time you call me a fucking racist ask yourself if you have ever taken the people from a burnt out take away and put them up until they could find their own place again.
Or perhaps you have hidden a bunch of hard working but illegal foreign nationals from the police after a fight caused by a couple af racist bastards outside a night club who lost the fucking fight they started and moaned to the cops.
Have you ever done that ?
I fucking have so go fuck off you stupid cunt. :mad:

:rolleyes:

How much did you charge them fred? And how long until they get to 'pay' it off?
 
LLETSA said:
There can't be a fatwa on a non-Muslim.
I don't this is actually true. For example from wikipedia: "A fatwa ... is a legal pronouncement in Islam, issued by a religious law specialist on a specific issue. Usually a fatwa is issued at the request of an individual or a judge to settle a question where ’’fiqh,’’ Islamic jurisprudence, is unclear... The overwhelming majority of fatwas are on mundane matters." ...although Osama bin Laden has issued a fatwa saying that killing "the Americans and their allies – civilians and military – is an individual duty for every Muslim"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatwa and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famous_fatwas
 
asbestos said:
cracking line

I'm considering a new career in poetry :D

soulman said:
:rolleyes:

How much did you charge them fred? And how long until they get to 'pay' it off?

Sorry about the rant but I'm pissed off with idiot left wing twats that make up a load of old bollocks and call me a racist using the words they have written.
If they can't come up with an argument without resorting to lies then the only debate they should engage in is a mass one :p

Anyway back to the question - Sod all, not a lot, not a sausage.
I don't like to post things like this as I see it as blowing my own trumpet but I was so fucked off at that daft twat Nigel.

I am a capitalist and bloody proud of the hard work I have put into making a business from nothing. I hate lazy bastards getting cash for doing fuck all when they are able to work and I hate the people who come to this country for the cash.
Don't say they are escaping blah blah blah - that's bollocks or they would stay in france, Germany or spain. Many come here for the fucking free cash and that's that.
I have no care where they come from or what colour they are but I do care that they work for a living as I know many illegals here do.
This includes the guys I hid from the cops. All illegal - all the victims of a bunch of pissed up bastards and their racist attack.
They won the fight hands down as they deserved to do but it's them who would have been deported and their plans ruined.
They come here for a few years to work to start off their lives in their own country. They don't claim cash from the state and don't get anything they don't work bloody hard for.
I don't give a shit who they are but I can understand the work ethic they all have and the goals they have set for themselves.
That's what respect is about not a bunch of fucking idiot politicians.
That is also much of the reason I hate what the fucking idiots in the BNP stand for.
Anyone else want to have a pop at me for racism have a fucking go now while in the the bastard mood to tell you to fuck off.
 
I have no care where they come from or what colour they are but I do care that they work for a living as I know many illegals here do.

Around a quarter, 23 percent, of those classified as migrants into Britain between 1998 and 2002 were Britons returning from abroad according to the Office for National Statistics. 120,115 people were granted permits to work in Britain in 2002. The largest number, 27 percent, came from the Americas. The number coming from other European countries was just 12 percent.

Immigration into Britain was 10 percent lower in 2002 than it was in 2001. Some 244,000 people entered Britain, while some 91,000 left, leaving a net gain of 153,000. 90 million people pass through Britain every year.

One in every 35 people in the world is a cross-country migrant.
Of the world's 6.3 billion population in 2002, 175 million were living in a different country from the one they were born in.

big footed fred said:
Many come here for the fucking free cash and that's that.

Proportion of people who came to Britain last year who ended up staying permanently 0.17%

The UK's minimum wage is below a living wage. British citizens only get by with a working families tax credit to top them up, which migrants are not entitled to.

Many others have been banned from working and denied benefits because they did not seek Home Office permission before fleeing from persecution.

Refugees allowed to stay are on permanent probation, fearing deportation if they participate in protests or organise for their rights. Black migration from outside of Europe has been halted for all but a layer of highly skilled workers who can pass English tests.

Up to 1,000 people a week — including children — are imprisoned without trial and then deported, shackled and cowed, back to countries such as Zimbabwe, Afghanistan and China.

Already 45,000 doctors and more than 70,000 nurses come from Africa, Asia and the Caribbean to work here. Their husbands, wives, children and parents must remain behind for at least five years.

Unskilled workers are only allowed in from the newly expanded Europe. These migrants — usually from the poorest European nations — are already banned from claiming any benefits if unemployed.

Huge chunks of Britain’s economy, especially in London, would simply grind to a halt without migrants. It’s not just hospitals and schools. Agriculture relies heavily on migrants to fill its low paid and insecure jobs. The IT sector desperately seeks workers from India in particular.

And no immigration would mean no take away and no dining out — 70 percent of all catering workers are migrants, according to home office figures from 2001.

Labour’s proposals on immigration represent an attempt to deepen the general attack on working people.

As a "Capitalist" maybe that's what you wish to see Big Foot?
 
jesus fucking christ.
Another daft bunch of numbers.

If people are coming here from non EU countries to escape their home governments why don't they say in the first safe country. From Africa it's a fair chance that's going to be spain. I understand spain has an elected government that has no record of torture. Why don't they stay there or don't they get the cash we give them ?

Many others have been banned from working and denied benefits because they did not seek Home Office permission before fleeing from persecution or even sneaking into lorries from a nice safe country like france. Or has there been another revolution where all non french are being sent for the chop ?

Refugees allowed to stay are on permanent probation, fearing deportation if they participate in protests or organise for their rights

What fucking rights ?

Up to 1,000 people a week — including children — are imprisoned without trial and then deported, shackled and cowed, back to countries such as Zimbabwe, Afghanistan and China.

Don't need a trial as they are illegal here and so we dump them.

And no immigration would mean no take away and no dining out — 70 percent of all catering workers are migrants, according to home office figures from 2001.

I would about agree with that but these are not the people I don't want here.

The point is that many people come here after passing through a safe country to get the cash - there is no other good reason to do it.

Those who come here and work hard for their money are another story. Nothing wrong with working for a living and I can understand why these people want to come here, make some money and return to their home country with money to buy a house or start a business.
I know loads that do this and I have a lot of time for them.

You are attempting to put the good as an excuse for the lazy grabbing twats that come here for the cash.
Don't work with me so the grabbers can still fuck off and those who want them here can pay for their house and so on.
Go on pal - get your wallet out and pay their rent.
Oh don't want to? Well fuck off then.
 
big footed fred said:
jesus fucking christ.
Another daft bunch of numbers.

Coupled with another daft sentence. :D

If people are coming here from non EU countries to escape their home governments why don't they say in the first safe country. From Africa it's a fair chance that's going to be spain. I understand spain has an elected government that has no record of torture. Why don't they stay there or don't they get the cash we give them?

Most do flee to the nearest country to them in Africa, (a continent) you daft pillock.

Many others have been banned from working and denied benefits because they did not seek Home Office permission before fleeing from persecution or even sneaking into lorries from a nice safe country like france. Or has there been another revolution where all non french are being sent for the chop ?

No to your last part daffy and those who happen to be smuggled in lorries usually get caught with all those border police and sophisticated technology on both sides and deported, or in some cases die from suffocation.

Refugees allowed to stay are on permanent probation, fearing deportation if they participate in protests or organise for their rights

What fucking rights ?

The human variety.

Up to 1,000 people a week — including children — are imprisoned without trial and then deported, shackled and cowed, back to countries such as Zimbabwe, Afghanistan and China.

Don't need a trial as they are illegal here and so we dump them.

"jesus fucking christ" (ironic eh?)

And no immigration would mean no take away and no dining out — 70 percent of all catering workers are migrants, according to home office figures from 2001.

I would about agree with that but these are not the people I don't want here.

Oh!

The point is that many people come here after passing through a safe country to get the cash - there is no other good reason to do it.

Want to give us some daft figures to back up that claim.

Those who come here and work hard for their money are another story. Nothing wrong with working for a living and I can understand why these people want to come here, make some money and return to their home country with money to buy a house or start a business.
I know loads that do this and I have a lot of time for them.

The vast majority would prefer to do that given the chance.

You are attempting to put the good as an excuse for the lazy grabbing twats that come here for the cash.

I've already made the case (with statistics) that this is nonsense for the vast majority of immigrants.

Don't work with me so the grabbers can still fuck off and those who want them here can pay for their house and so on.

Under Housing Law, immigrants and their families have no right to permanent housing provided by local authorities.

Go on pal - get your wallet out and pay their rent.
Oh don't want to? Well fuck off then.

I alway's thought that "benevolent capitalism" was a load of bollocks and I'm definately not your "pal". Do you have any friends btw?
 
big footed fred said:
What the fuck are you injecting ?
Can you please show me any post I have made in any thread that says I don't believe racism exists towards any group including white groups.

I have been called a racist many time as a result of my view that the open door policy is a load of old bollocks that can't work. It's a daft left idea that tries to get redistribution of weath in by the back door. It's not a matter of race - it's down to the fact it would bankrupt the blooding country if we take all and sundry and pay them to hang around in their free houses.

I have seen and been part of racist attacks but never on the side of the bastards that do it. The next time you call me a fucking racist ask yourself if you have ever taken the people from a burnt out take away and put them up until they could find their own place again.
Or perhaps you have hidden a bunch of hard working but illegal foreign nationals from the police after a fight caused by a couple af racist bastards outside a night club who lost the fucking fight they started and moaned to the cops.
Have you ever done that ?
I fucking have so go fuck off you stupid cunt. :mad:

Just this line, maybe I got the wrong end of the stick, just wondering where your coming from, "....Wonder if it's a plot in the same way Hitler used the national socialists to gain a far right wing government."

By the way I'm really scared. :eek:
 
My position is easy to work out but I'll spell it out anyway.

1) I have no care about the race, religion or colour of anyone. These things are of little matter. The only question is are they OK as people.

2) I have no problem with people from other countries being here. I also have little care if they are legal here as long as they don't take from the state and, in doing so, me and other tax payers. If they work for their money, regardless of their legal status, I have no problem.

3) Those guests from other countries must behave themselves. By this I mean that if they are party to crime they are no longer welcome.
Lets face it why do we need more criminals from other countries when we have plenty of our own.

4) The open door policy is not something I could ever agree to. It just allows all the scum into the country that are here for what they can get.

A few quotes from CNN ( a little out of date but still they hold the idea)

Britain had the highest number of asylum seekers in Europe last year -- many entering from France

Is France a safe country ?

Under the current regulations, many of those arrested are simply returned to temporary Red Cross accommodation at Calais from where they are free to make another attempt to reach the UK.

One illegal immigrant sent back to Calais told CNN he had made about 25 attempts to reach England, while an Afghan man said he had paid $14,000 to people traffickers who promised to get him into the UK.


I wonder why they are so keen to get here - perhaps it's the nice weather and the beer.

More than 20,000 people were caught being smuggled into the UK last year but authorities believe many more made it through.

OMG ! Still I'm sure they just misread the map when they were looking for a safe african country.

I'm sure that there are some that have a real need to get here and I'm also sure that most do not. If they are escaping problems ion their own country why do they need to travel this far. As has been said africa is a big place and to get here from africa you need to go into spain and france unless you can find a direct sea or air route.
Why do people pay for a trip here from another safe country. Only one answer - they know they are in for a soft time.

I would love to know why people pay so much and risk death if we are no better for then than france.
can you answer that I wonder ?
 
What is the comment about Hitler and National Socialists:

"....Wonder if it's a plot in the same way Hitler used the national socialists to gain a far right wing government."

What has this to do with British Immigration Policy???


The other pont was Generic Engineering, using language as a tool to promote racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. consciousness.
 
big footed fred said:
My position is easy to work out but I'll spell it out anyway.

1) I have no care about the race, religion or colour of anyone. These things are of little matter. The only question is are they OK as people.

Most people are OK. How would you decide there not?

2) I have no problem with people from other countries being here. I also have little care if they are legal here as long as they don't take from the state and, in doing so, me and other tax payers. If they work for their money, regardless of their legal status, I have no problem.

As said before most immigrants don't take from the state. In fact there contribution is something in the region of £2.5 billion to the British economy.

3) Those guests from other countries must behave themselves. By this I mean that if they are party to crime they are no longer welcome.
Lets face it why do we need more criminals from other countries when we have plenty of our own.

Most do behave themselves, some who don't get deported.

4) The open door policy is not something I could ever agree to. It just allows all the scum into the country that are here for what they can get.

There is no "open border" policy. Blair has repeatedly said that the UK would be neither "fortress" nor "open door".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3667617.stm

A few quotes from CNN ( a little out of date but still they hold the idea)

Britain had the highest number of asylum seekers in Europe last year -- many entering from France

Is France a safe country ?

As you say "out of date", however, interestingly:

according to the UK Office for National Statistics, in the three years between July 2001 and July 2004 the population of the UK increased by 721,500 inhabitants, of which 242,800 (34%) was due to natural increase, and 478,500 (66%) to immigration. According to INSEE, in the three years between January 2001 and January 2004 the population of Metropolitan France increased by 1,057,000 inhabitants, of which 678,000 (64%) was due to natural increase, and 379,500 (36%) to immigration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_France

There are reasons for this which are according to a researcher at INED this:

...it is very difficult estimating the number of French immigrants or born to immigrants, because of the absence of official statistics. Only three tentatives, in 1927, 1942 and 1986 were done. According to this 2004 study, among approximatively 14 millions persons of foreign ascendency (immigrants or with at least one parent or great-parent immigrant), 5,2 millions are from South-European ascendency (Italy, Spain, Portugal), and 3 millions come from the Maghreb.

and:

In the 2000s, the net migration rate was estimated to be 0.66 migrants per 1,000 population and year. This is a very low rate of immigration compared to other European countries, the USA or Canada. Since the beginning of the 1990s, France has been attempting to enforce a "zero immigration" policy, first with the Pasqua laws, followed by both right-wing and socialist-issued laws. The immigration rate is currently lower than in other European countries such as United Kingdom and Spain; however, some say it is doubtful that the policies in themselves account for such a change. Again, as in the 1920s and 1930s, France stands in contrast with the rest of Europe. Back in the 1920s and 1930s, when European countries had a high fertility rate, France had a low fertily rate and had to open its doors to immigration to avoid population decline. Today, it is the rest of Europe that has very low fertility rates, and countries like Germany or Spain avoid population decline only through immigration. In France, however, fertility rate is still quite high for European standards, in fact the highest in Europe after Ireland, and so most population growth is due to natural increase, unlike in the other European countries (except Italy).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_France

Is France safe? I wouldn't know.

Under the current regulations, many of those arrested are simply returned to temporary Red Cross accommodation at Calais from where they are free to make another attempt to reach the UK.

One illegal immigrant sent back to Calais told CNN he had made about 25 attempts to reach England, while an Afghan man said he had paid $14,000 to people traffickers who promised to get him into the UK.

Yeah, but as you said now out of date.

I wonder why they are so keen to get here - perhaps it's the nice weather and the beer.

I doubt it, maybe some have families here, or communities which can give support, or that maybe because there is employment and discrimination is less so.

More than 20,000 people were caught being smuggled into the UK last year but authorities believe many more made it through.

Which year are we talking about btw and have you a link to this?

OMG ! Still I'm sure they just misread the map when they were looking for a safe african country.

Don't be such an idiot.

I'm sure that there are some that have a real need to get here and I'm also sure that most do not. If they are escaping problems ion their own country why do they need to travel this far. As has been said africa is a big place and to get here from africa you need to go into spain and france unless you can find a direct sea or air route.
Why do people pay for a trip here from another safe country. Only one answer - they know they are in for a soft time.

Not true. According to Simon Hughes interviewed by John Humphrys in 2002:

I've been to Sangatte, I've talked to people there, many of them don't know exactly where they crossed into the European Union. They were in a lorry, they'd paid their twelve-thousand Dollars in Afghanistan to get to the UK, or to get to Europe and then they were told to apply to the UK. They were dumped at Sangatte, they don't know where they crossed the border.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/otr/intext/20020602_int_2.html

I would love to know why people pay so much and risk death if we are no better for then than france.
can you answer that I wonder ?

Looking at asylum applications, most of these applicants for asylum do not come to Britain, they don't come to Europe, they go to Pakistan, or they go to Central Africa. The UK accept a very small proportion.

Again to quote Simon Hughes:

...to pander to prejudice, to be honest, sometimes to only quote half the figures, as he [Blunkett] accepted he did when he'd done an interview on the BBC a few weeks ago, which was then corrected in the Commons later in the day. We really must tell people the facts, and if people know that about a third to a half of all cases are valid, and for the other people, they want to be economic migrants, and we should have a case for letting them put their
case, then we would have a sane system, but we have an insane system at
the moment, and anybody that's been to Sangatte and seen the terrible conditions we condemn people to, as a continent, would realise how insane a system it is.
 
http://www.dagenhamconservatives.com/Cost of asylum.htm

In 1998-99, £6,835,000 was spent on net current expenditure on asylum seekers in Barking & Dagenham. This figure has now risen by over £7, 500, 000 to £14, 500, 000.

Cheap isn't it ?

http://www.discourse-in-society.org/ideo-disc-cast-ejemplos2.htm
(13 )The Government, with cross-party backing, decided to do something about the matter. ( 42 ) The Asylum and Immigration Act 1996 stated that people whose application to remain in Britain had been turned down could no longer receive the social security and housing benefit that they had previously enjoyed. That is estimated to have cut the number of bogus asylum seekers by about a half.

No one comes here for the cash so i'm sure that those who stopped coming just changed their minds and decided on a week in Zimbabwe.

http://newswww1.thny.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/934741.stm
Housing officers said the government had refused to pay the £96,000 cost of asylum seekers sent to Liverpool between December 1999 and March this year - before the official scheme began.

They do cost money to house - that's a shock

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200304/cmhansrd/vo041019/text/41019w11.htm

Asylum Seekers
David Davis: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department what the cost of asylum seekers was to each local authority in each year since 1997. [190933]

Mr. Raynsford: The information requested has been tabled as follows.

Local authority net current expenditure on asylum seekers—1998–99 to 2004–05 Figures shown in £000
1998–99 1999–2000 2000–01 2001–02 2002–03 2003–04 2004–05
Total 192,735 305,510 551,157 552,742 520,942 490,757 397,606

That's £397,606,000 for 2004/5 before we consider any other costs boys and girls.

Back to MC5 - champion of spending other people's money.
Most people are OK. How would you decide there not?
If they a lazy, break the law or just come here for cash they are not ok. Same goes for those that want them here. Most politicians are in it for the cash or some other gain. (not tessa - she didn't know about her bent husband's dodgy cash and has nothing to do with a very expensive house. bet she lives in a council flat in brixton)

As said before most immigrants don't take from the state. In fact there contribution is something in the region of £2.5 billion to the British economy.
Love to know how much each invididual brings with them and how they spend it.

There is no "open border" policy. Blair has repeatedly said that the UK would be neither "fortress" nor "open door".

True but there are planty that do want it.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=153646
One that comes to mind but I'm sure a short search will find many more.

Not true. According to Simon Hughes interviewed by John Humphrys in 2002:

Quote:
I've been to Sangatte, I've talked to people there, many of them don't know exactly where they crossed into the European Union. They were in a lorry, they'd paid their twelve-thousand Dollars in Afghanistan to get to the UK, or to get to Europe and then they were told to apply to the UK. They were dumped at Sangatte, they don't know where they crossed the border.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/otr/intext/20020602_int_2.html
paid their twelve-thousand Dollars and get nothing when they come here - Wonder what $12,000 will buy in Afghanistan and if they can get that sort of cash why do they come here ?

At the end of the day these people come here for a reason. If they are willing to pay that much to do so there must be a result that is of greater value than their outlay. You will argue that this is their life and nothing else but I would suggest that you are talking bollocks and that many come for financial gain. They do cost a fortune and do little good. Many also argue that without previous immegration the country would be worse off and quote small numbers coming here in the past but they fail to mention that these groups cost nothing to look after and that they were in very small numbers.

I final note is that if we just allow all and sundry to get in and the do gooders fight to let them stay how long before the strain contributes to harming the UK economy and how long before people get pissed off with it and start voting BNP.

I know too many people that are pissed off with this now and would vote BNP if they had the chance.

My local is full of anti "paki" comments and I know there is at least one member of the BNP in there. It pisses them off when I go in with a non white but that's just me being a bastard.
I don't bother trying to argue with them as I know it's a waste of time but if they get to know people from other countries who are hard working and decent people it's a right kick in the balls for racism.

I don't want to see a BNP government or even these people getting a voice in local or national government at all but that's what we will get if this carries on.
The left wing are still a danger. Not just as a direct result of them getting any sort of power but the great advert they are for the far right.

I wonder how many asylum supporters own houses or whatever that makes money from asylum seekers. Must have a hunt on the net and try to find out.
 
big footed fred said:
Cheap isn't it ?

No free lunches in this world.


No one comes here for the cash so i'm sure that those who stopped coming just changed their minds and decided on a week in Zimbabwe.

Your point being?

They do cost money to house - that's a shock
Back to MC5 - champion of spending other people's money.

A cheap shot and complete bollocks. There is bound to be a cost of upholding the 1951 UN charter. Obviously, you're not willing to make a contribution. On the other hand I am through my tax contribution - PAYE (payasyouearn) to you. Btw, being an 'honest' capitalist I wonder if your tax bill is equal to mine?

If they a lazy, break the law or just come here for cash they are not ok. Same goes for those that want them here. Most politicians are in it for the cash or some other gain. (not tessa - she didn't know about her bent husband's dodgy cash and has nothing to do with a very expensive house. bet she lives in a council flat in brixton)

Lazy? Most would work you into the ground. If they break the law they will be brought before the courts like everyone else. Come here for cash? As written at length this is not the case.


Love to know how much each invididual brings with them and how they spend it.

Why?



True but there are planty that do want it.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=153646
One that comes to mind but I'm sure a short search will find many more.

How many is 'plenty'?


paid their twelve-thousand Dollars and get nothing when they come here - Wonder what $12,000 will buy in Afghanistan and if they can get that sort of cash why do they come here ?

Yes, I wonder? Why do they come here? Read my earlier post. I've dealt with that question before.

At the end of the day these people come here for a reason. If they are willing to pay that much to do so there must be a result that is of greater value than their outlay. You will argue that this is their life and nothing else but I would suggest that you are talking bollocks and that many come for financial gain. They do cost a fortune and do little good. Many also argue that without previous immegration the country would be worse off and quote small numbers coming here in the past but they fail to mention that these groups cost nothing to look after and that they were in very small numbers.

You accuse me of talking bollocks! You even have the gall to make words up to shove in my mouth - piss poor argument.

I final note is that if we just allow all and sundry to get in and the do gooders fight to let them stay how long before the strain contributes to harming the UK economy and how long before people get pissed off with it and start voting BNP.

'Do-gooders'? Anymore right-wing toryspeak and I'll throw-up. £2.5 billion plus to the UK economy is a "strain" and "harming" it is it? A lot of people have debts, might be "pissed off", but why blame immigrants for this? Some are already voting BNP, but that ignores the fact that the vast majority rejects that odious, nasty party.


I know too many people that are pissed off with this now and would vote BNP if they had the chance.

Really? In the tory party?

My local is full of anti "paki" comments and I know there is at least one member of the BNP in there. It pisses them off when I go in with a non white but that's just me being a bastard.

Oh!
I don't bother trying to argue with them as I know it's a waste of time but if they get to know people from other countries who are hard working and decent people it's a right kick in the balls for racism.

Oh!

I don't want to see a BNP government or even these people getting a voice in local or national government at all but that's what we will get if this carries on.

The BNP will never be in government. Most of their present councillors couldn't run a whelk stall. The local elections results in May will determine whether their nasty message is a voice people listen to.

The left wing are still a danger. Not just as a direct result of them getting any sort of power but the great advert they are for the far right.

Do elaborate?

I wonder how many asylum supporters own houses or whatever that makes money from asylum seekers. Must have a hunt on the net and try to find out.

I thought you applauded the 'free market'? Do post up the results when you have them.
 
BFFred is this your handywork?

Capital fellow

I see from your website that the CPGB’s aim is to destroy all capital. Perhaps you would like to examine the living standards of communist countries such as the Soviet Union or China.

People do not like communists because your ideas are outdated, unpractical and, as history has shown, wholly pernicious. Now is the time for you to realise capitalism and liberal free markets (shock, horror) do not represent oppression, but an opportunity for people to work themselves out of poverty to improve themselves.

Communism does not and has never worked, so why on earth do you keep up with your illogical charade?

A Capitalist
email
http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/614/letters.htm
 
big footed fred said:
If people are coming here from non EU countries to escape their home governments why don't they say in the first safe country. From Africa it's a fair chance that's going to be spain. I understand spain has an elected government that has no record of torture. Why don't they stay there or don't they get the cash we give them ?

How much cash do we give them then fred?
 
MC5 said:
BFFred is this your handywork?

No but it's nice. What is wrong with hard work to make a living for yourself and your family.
Communism is outdated not just in that it was a nice idea for the lazy before the fall of the USSR but now, post soviet block, it is a well proven load of bollocks that has no chance of working.
Can anyone show me a communist or any other far left government that has worked. Choose from any point in history if you like.
Love to see the long list of lefty states that have worked well in the long term, have no opression and no state run death squads or re education camps.

I will await the list but won't hold my breath. :D
 
No free lunches in this world.

Unless you are an asylum seeker

Your point being?

That when a lot of the cash stopped so did the claims



A cheap shot and complete bollocks. There is bound to be a cost of upholding the 1951 UN charter. Obviously, you're not willing to make a contribution. On the other hand I am through my tax contribution - PAYE (payasyouearn) to you. Btw, being an 'honest' capitalist I wonder if your tax bill is equal to mine?

Don't mind paying for reasonable uses of my tax money but not handouts to grabbers and the cost of dumping their usless carcass back home.

Lazy? Most would work you into the ground. If they break the law they will be brought before the courts like everyone else. Come here for cash? As written at length this is not the case.

I'm sure you are right but then why do they have so many pops at getting into lorries to come here ?
I wonder why france and germany are not seen as such nice places and so much easier than the risk of death in a container. I'm sure that it's just so they can see Doncaster rover's matches live as they are far better than the continental footballers.


Why?

You claim they add to the UK - Just want to know how. If I am wrong I will change my ideas to suit but I need to see how. I assume you are saying they bring weath and business to this country. I just wonder how they do that while living in a council house that is reserved for non english and we have a waiting list of Uk citizens wanting housing. That one just came up as a mate has lost his house and can't get a council house even though there are empty ones. The council says they have to keep a reserve for asylum seekers. I wonder if they keep a reserve for non english only is that racist ?

How many is 'plenty'?
In the case of the lefty scumbags 1 is too many. I can't be bothered to seach out open door groups but I know of a few and have seen them here pushing their crap.

Yes, I wonder? Why do they come here? Read my earlier post. I've dealt with that question before.
Yer yer yer - family and so on. But they still spend a fat pile of cash and take major risks. Your explanation is bollocks


You accuse me of talking bollocks! You even have the gall to make words up to shove in my mouth - piss poor argument.

I offered a reason why you may counter what I said to save you the bother of doing it and being proven wrong. :D

'Do-gooders'? Anymore right-wing toryspeak and I'll throw-up. £2.5 billion plus to the UK economy is a "strain" and "harming" it is it? A lot of people have debts, might be "pissed off", but why blame immigrants for this? Some are already voting BNP, but that ignores the fact that the vast majority rejects that odious, nasty party.

I'm happy that the majority do not vote BNP. They are a nasty bunch of twats in the same way that the far left are.
I would aslo like to know how they add £2.5 billion to the UK. What do they bring and why do we still have to pay to keep them if they bring so much ?



Really? In the tory party?

No. I love the way you accuse the Tory party of racism when it's far more common for extreme parties of the left and right to hold racist or anti whoever views. See the anti jewish threads here all posted by lefty twats.
Is Racism or religious bias ok if you are a left wing twat ?


Oh!
Oh!
I suspect you can't think of anything wrong here so a sarcastic comment will have to do in place of a well thought out point.


The BNP will never be in government. Most of their present councillors couldn't run a whelk stall. The local elections results in May will determine whether their nasty message is a voice people listen to.

I hope you are right but didn't they say that about Hitler in the 1930s

Do elaborate?
That is easy to work out even for a thick twat like you. The left wing are a dangerous group of idiots that would do as they always do in the dark days when they have power in any country. Plenty of places to choose from. I don't need to say any more unless you wish to tell me that these "red" countries are all sweetness and light. Don't bother as we are all well aware what has happened in any and all far right or left wing countries.
They are also a danger in that their daft antics piss people off and in doing so promote the far right who use the left message to promote hate. That's why I wonder if the BNP has members in the SWP and so on to promote the daftest ideas they can think off. It works so well to bring people to the BNP.


I thought you applauded the 'free market'? Do post up the results when you have them.
I love the free market and working for a living - so much better than expecting someone else to work and living on the dole when you are able.
The welfare state is supposed to be a help for those in need and not a handy alternative to working.
I must try to find out who owns the rental properties - wonder if any labour or other lefty politicians are there with their pockets getting fat. At least the tories admit to doing business - a little better than old tessa who, according to the register of member's interests, has none.
 
big footed fred said:
jesus fucking christ.
Another daft bunch of numbers.

If people are coming here from non EU countries to escape their home governments why don't they say in the first safe country. From Africa it's a fair chance that's going to be spain. I understand spain has an elected government that has no record of torture. Why don't they stay there or don't they get the cash we give them ?
In Spain? About the same, but usually better healthcare and education. Downside? Way more racism. Ever seen the way the Spanish treat their Gypsies?
Many others have been banned from working and denied benefits because they did not seek Home Office permission before fleeing from persecution or even sneaking into lorries from a nice safe country like france. Or has there been another revolution where all non french are being sent for the chop ?

Refugees allowed to stay are on permanent probation, fearing deportation if they participate in protests or organise for their rights

What fucking rights ?
Refugees have rights under the UN Convention relating to the status of Refugees 1951 and later amendments, where, after the "displacement" that had been experienced post-WW2, most nations signed up to accept refugees, and to endow the refugees with certain rights, not those of a "full citizen", but enough to mean they couldn't be too shabbily treated.
Up to 1,000 people a week — including children — are imprisoned without trial and then deported, shackled and cowed, back to countries such as Zimbabwe, Afghanistan and China.

Don't need a trial as they are illegal here and so we dump them.

And no immigration would mean no take away and no dining out — 70 percent of all catering workers are migrants, according to home office figures from 2001.

I would about agree with that but these are not the people I don't want here.

The point is that many people come here after passing through a safe country to get the cash - there is no other good reason to do it.
Bollocks, you baboon's anus.
Some reasons refugees might head here (which doesn't include their desire for a paltry £50 a week):
1) Because of the (relative) tolerance of immigrants in Britain.
2) Because Britain has a somewhat more widely diverse complex of ethnic communities than many other countries.
3) because (for some strange reason) our state and our police have a reputation for not beating immigrants to near-death if they're caught without papers.
4) Because in some former colonies the people who leave them and enter here have a delusion that the UK owes them something. I really can't think why they'd think that. can you? :rolleyes:

Bloody ignorant tory shaved monkey.
 
big footed fred said:
No free lunches in this world.

Unless you are an asylum seeker

There's still a cost. The £36 a week asylum seekers get as an allowance whilst there disallowed from working, is equivalent to one meal some pay and then claim on business expenses.

That when a lot of the cash stopped so did the claims

What cash?

Don't mind paying for reasonable uses of my tax money but not handouts to grabbers and the cost of dumping their usless carcass back home.

Some asylum seekers do not automatically have a right to very much, if anything, if they come from certain countries listed by the Home Office.

I'm sure you are right but then why do they have so many pops at getting into lorries to come here ?
I wonder why france and germany are not seen as such nice places and so much easier than the risk of death in a container. I'm sure that it's just so they can see Doncaster rover's matches live as they are far better than the continental footballers.

How many pops do they have? No continental players at Doncaster Rovers I take it?

You claim they add to the UK - Just want to know how. If I am wrong I will change my ideas to suit but I need to see how. I assume you are saying they bring weath and business to this country. I just wonder how they do that while living in a council house that is reserved for non english and we have a waiting list of Uk citizens wanting housing. That one just came up as a mate has lost his house and can't get a council house even though there are empty ones. The council says they have to keep a reserve for asylum seekers. I wonder if they keep a reserve for non english only is that racist ?

Given the chance, employment and the wealth and taxes generated. Just as my Irish forebears did.

There is no 'reserved' council housing. That would be illegal under Housing law. There is empty council housing which is a scandal. Most of it is housing unfit for habitation. Some, like certain high rise blocks are empty because no one wants to live there.

Most asylum applicants are given what is called ‘Temporary Admission’, which means they are allowed to live freely in the UK on the condition that they live at a certain address and that they report to a certain police station or immigration officer either weekly or monthly. Asylum-seekers must always inform the Home Office if they move address. Properties are usually rented from the private sector.

In the case of the lefty scumbags 1 is too many. I can't be bothered to seach out open door groups but I know of a few and have seen them here pushing their crap.

I see your here pushing some right crappola

Yer yer yer - family and so on. But they still spend a fat pile of cash and take major risks. Your explanation is bollocks

Desperate times lead to desperate acts.


I offered a reason why you may counter what I said to save you the bother of doing it and being proven wrong. :D

I'll speak for myself thanks. I don't like your sneaky and dishonest attempt to do it for me.

I'm happy that the majority do not vote BNP. They are a nasty bunch of twats in the same way that the far left are.
I would aslo like to know how they add £2.5 billion to the UK. What do they bring and why do we still have to pay to keep them if they bring so much ?

See above, your repeating yourself. Onset of altheimers is it?


No. I love the way you accuse the Tory party of racism when it's far more common for extreme parties of the left and right to hold racist or anti whoever views. See the anti jewish threads here all posted by lefty twats.
Is Racism or religious bias ok if you are a left wing twat ?

The Tory party have a proud anti-racist record I take it? Moved on from the "If you want a nigger for a neighbour vote Labour" slogan of Smethic bye-election.

I suspect you can't think of anything wrong here so a sarcastic comment will have to do in place of a well thought out point.

Sarcastic comment? I just said oh! As in oh!


I hope you are right but didn't they say that about Hitler in the 1930s

This is the UK in 2006. Since the end of the war and the discovery of the death camps Hitler and his ideas have been resoundly rejected by all except far-right fantasists and loons.

That is easy to work out even for a thick twat like you. The left wing are a dangerous group of idiots that would do as they always do in the dark days when they have power in any country. Plenty of places to choose from. I don't need to say any more unless you wish to tell me that these "red" countries are all sweetness and light. Don't bother as we are all well aware what has happened in any and all far right or left wing countries.
They are also a danger in that their daft antics piss people off and in doing so promote the far right who use the left message to promote hate. That's why I wonder if the BNP has members in the SWP and so on to promote the daftest ideas they can think off. It works so well to bring people to the BNP.

I must be a "thick twat" as I can't think of any current "far-right countries" nor "far-left countries" come to that. History has shown that people turn to extremes when the political system is in economic meltdown.

I love the free market and working for a living - so much better than expecting someone else to work and living on the dole when you are able.
The welfare state is supposed to be a help for those in need and not a handy alternative to working.
I must try to find out who owns the rental properties - wonder if any labour or other lefty politicians are there with their pockets getting fat. At least the tories admit to doing business - a little better than old tessa who, according to the register of member's interests, has none.

The good old "free market" which has a majority of the worlds population living on less than two dollars a day and 30,000 children who die from lack of clean water and over the counter drugs.

£55 pounds a week job seekers allowance is no "handy alternative". You could say that I'm fortunate that I'm in employment.
 
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