BNP to secure a Boris win, opportuniy for Brian Paddick's campaign?
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He wouldn't be allowed to anyway, an 'election' doesn't belong to the candidates, it's an independent process.
If Boris was to win by a single 2nd preference vote & the turned round & said, "no, Ken's won because I don't want to win because of BNP votes" the returning officer cannot take that view into account, as it is not the expressed wish of the electorate
If BJ was then to resign as Mayor, this could not be in favour of Ken, but would trigger a new election..
... which would be the same as wishing the sun shouldn't come up in the morning, having absolutely no point.....
He did say he didn't want BNP support.... & if you are interested, if I lived in London (which thank f**k I don't) I would not vote Tory, I'd vote Ken as the best of a bad job....
scott_forester
probably talking shite
Surely you don't think Al-Qaradawi deserves any public funded platform to spew his bile? Ken's own Party doesn't since the Government banned him from coming back.
Even Peter Tatchell, up to that point a keen supporter of Ken, said that he (Al-Qaradawi) stirred up prejudice. Simple fact is Ken gave a big girly hug to a man who wants people stoned for their sexual orientation.
You can support Ken, but I can't see how any right minded person could think supporting Al-Qaradawi's visit was a good idea.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
So his "piccaninnies with watermelon smiles" remark was what, exactly? A bit of playful, but wholly innocent, wordplay? It would seem that he has much more in common with the BNP than you realise or are prepared to admit.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Yet no one bats an eyelid when the Pope visits and is courted by the nation's political leaders. That's pretty rich.
Harold Hill
Jay Emm forgot his p/word
Of course she is, she's also entitled to be criticised about it.
Harold Hill
Jay Emm forgot his p/word
Well I'm now not intending to vote and never really considered voting for Boris so there really is no point trying to make me feel guilty.
Whatever he says the context of the remarks are, he should have known the political class treats race as the hottest of hot potatoes so its impossible to defend his article really.
lang rabbie
Je ne regrette les gazebos
Non existent, strictly speaking, but it is being actively circulated in that form by Ken's campaign to try and boost turnout among BME voters.
It conflates two separate contentious references to black people from an article, not an off the cuff remark.
It seems pretty clear that the point of the article was to ridicule the paternalistic and neo-colonial attitudes to Africans shown by Blair and others in the UK, and Johnson's choice of these anachronistic non-PC phrases was journalistic irony to emphasise the point.
Harold Hill
Jay Emm forgot his p/word
It's this sort of hyperbolic rubbish that makes debate on here pretty much pointless these days.
I criticised her because as someone who has garnered a tremendous amount of public sympathy across the board, it appears she is now using this to try and help influence an election. She is perfectly entitled to make these comments but the original Guardian article last August is similar to the News of the World articles with Sarah Paynes mother in regard to sarahs law. Using an emotive subject to try and emotionally blackmail people into (normally the papers) way of thinking.
Around third of voters in London will always vote for the Tory candidate because they are Tories - it doesn't whether if it was Johnson, Norris, Archer, Portillo or a pot plant with a blue rosette. They shouldn't be made to feel guilty for doing so. By the same token, no one voting for Ken should be expected to justify any allegations of anti Semitism or homophobia.
Harold Hill
Jay Emm forgot his p/word
I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt but the argument still stands, if you have political aspirations, should you be using such language to begin with. He and his advisers must have known this article would be brought up and used against him.
Harold Hill
Jay Emm forgot his p/word
Actually I'm pretty sure this information is available to the parties after the election. I've even seen it myself.
The big irony is you will have 1st/2nd pref votes spread across all parties so you will examples of BNp voters with Ken as 2nd pref and Left Lists and Greens with Tory 2nd prefs despite what the party themselves stated. Thats the strange nature of the beast.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I'm defiinite they won't, they will only know the total 2nd prefs etc not who the BNP 2nd prefs voted for as first pref.
Treacle Toes
Time
Yes, and I'm critiscising you for using her as an excuse for saying you'd be voting for Boris as I believe that's a crap reason for doing so.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This bit:
"It is said that the Queen has come to love the Commonwealth, partly because it supplies her with regular cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies"
It is said by whom? Johnson doesn't say. Now either he is implying that the Queen thinks of them as 'piccaninnies' or he is using the word without irony. If it is a comment on the Queen's racist attitudes, it is to be commended, but I would guess Captain Toryboy didn't intend it to be read as a criticism of the Queen.
You won't see how the 2nd preferences are allocated per part, just how many 2nd pref votes BJ & KL will get in the 2nd round.
I think some people are confusing the London system with the Scottish one. In Scotland people are eliminated 1 by 1, not all bar the top 2, so re-allocations are clearly seen, candidate by candidate.....
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I'm not. I was simply commenting on the emptiness of the rhetoric. I do not believe for one second that Johnson doesn't want the second preferences of the BNP. As we will never know, it was a very easy thing for him to say.
lang rabbie
Je ne regrette les gazebos
In order for the electronic voting to be transparent, the system has to be capable of producing management information summarising how the transfer votes are calculated. I think these have been made available to the political parties in the past.
However, my understanding is that there has been a consensus (a liberal/left conspiracy?) that London Elects won't publish this data on their website, because the only people whose interests would be served would be the BNP.
However, my understanding is that there has been a consensus (a liberal/left conspiracy?) that London Elects won't publish this data on their website, because the only people whose interests would be served would be the BNP.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Oh, it exists alright, it was published in the Daily Telegraph back in 2006.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/jan/23/london.race
This is from his main cheerleader, The Evening Standard
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...t+mean+to+be+racist+,+claims+Boris/article.do
I don't see much distinction between his words in print and his spoken words tbh.
That's not how I read the article. I don't think he is particularly enlightened and his choice of words reflects his thinking on issues of ethnicity.
ETA: Johnson has had the Tory press doing his work for him since he announced his candidacy. But let's face it, Johnson is no saint and has plenty of skeletons of his own. So what was the purpose of the Tory press printing stories of Livingstone's offspring by different women?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Here is a little sample from Taki, taken from columns written for The Spectator while Johnson was its editor (so, no doubt, read and approved by Johnson before publication):
If you treat this election as a job interview, then the applicants' previous jobs are very relevant to the decision. So, Mr Johnson, please explain your reaction upon reading these words... Did you guffaw with laughter at the skillful turn of phrase?'
If you treat this election as a job interview, then the applicants' previous jobs are very relevant to the decision. So, Mr Johnson, please explain your reaction upon reading these words... Did you guffaw with laughter at the skillful turn of phrase?'
Harold Hill
Jay Emm forgot his p/word
Just as crap as voting for Ken to keep out Boris or vice versa so forgive me for not giving a hoot.
scott_forester
probably talking shite
Yet no one bats an eyelid when the Pope visits and is courted by the nation's political leaders. That's pretty rich.
Does the Pope call for people to be killed?
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