LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
Cool photo from outside the BBC an hour or so ago...
The two on the end are saying to each other " I know Sarge said we had to rehearse for our spot on Children in need but I think theyve left it a bit late"
BNP protesters inside BBC TVC
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The two on the end are saying to each other " I know Sarge said we had to rehearse for our spot on Children in need but I think theyve left it a bit late"
LMHF - there's a difference between not ignoring the BNP and giving them a platform.
the reason the BNP have been successful is that the mainstream political parties have ignored issues which are important to ordinary people. and it's got sod all to do with immigration.
ETA: what i mean is you don't need to give the BNP a platform to provide a credible challenge to their politics.
the reason the BNP have been successful is that the mainstream political parties have ignored issues which are important to ordinary people. and it's got sod all to do with immigration.
ETA: what i mean is you don't need to give the BNP a platform to provide a credible challenge to their politics.
starfish2000
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Isn't it all bollocks though
The BBC know they are onto a ratings winner and really he's just a cartoon demon.
Face it the likelyhood of waking up to a Neo Nazi Britain after the next election is pretty unlikely, this mans appeal has only gone up in poor areas because mainstream politicians don't give a fuck abnout what people in Barnsley do, so the people in Barnsley have cottoned onto this and so have the BNP and the usual fears of immigration etc are exploited.
The real thing to be scared of now is how many of us are seeing our wages cut and our terms and conditions dissapearing. I notice Question time don't have someone like Bob Crow on or the head of the CWU, instead we get a cartoon racist and lots of middle class hand wringing.
No one from the main parties is interested in discussing the working persons declining income in real terms, yet we are a service economy, so the most important way of powering that is by making sure people can afford to participate as consumers....instead of that glaringly obvious debate, we'll get a sideshow of bollocks that makes the mainstream parties look appealing when all along they've been lining their fat pockets too.
Anyone taken in by this shit is the sort of fuckwit who elected Blair IMHO
The BBC know they are onto a ratings winner and really he's just a cartoon demon.
Face it the likelyhood of waking up to a Neo Nazi Britain after the next election is pretty unlikely, this mans appeal has only gone up in poor areas because mainstream politicians don't give a fuck abnout what people in Barnsley do, so the people in Barnsley have cottoned onto this and so have the BNP and the usual fears of immigration etc are exploited.
The real thing to be scared of now is how many of us are seeing our wages cut and our terms and conditions dissapearing. I notice Question time don't have someone like Bob Crow on or the head of the CWU, instead we get a cartoon racist and lots of middle class hand wringing.
No one from the main parties is interested in discussing the working persons declining income in real terms, yet we are a service economy, so the most important way of powering that is by making sure people can afford to participate as consumers....instead of that glaringly obvious debate, we'll get a sideshow of bollocks that makes the mainstream parties look appealing when all along they've been lining their fat pockets too.
Anyone taken in by this shit is the sort of fuckwit who elected Blair IMHO
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
He went in the back gate anyway.
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
No but they are ENTITLED to the platform... they have achieved a certain level of support amongst the electorate and have achieved it via democratic election.
I agree with the Beeb on this one.... You might not like their politics or their policies but smaller parties who have managed to win similar levels of electoral support such as respect, the green party etc have been invited to appear.
You cannot possibly hope provide any sort of credible challenge to their polictics while you prevent them from accessing the same opportunities as other parties who have achieved that level of support.
Zabo
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Excellent post. 10/10
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
Very very good post starfish... none of the major parties are willing to address my concerns as a voter... In the past year Ive lost my job and wound up on benefits yet the tories and labour are chomping at the bit to remove more and more from the poorest in society, my children have been failed by the state education system... none of the major parties are doing anything much about that either, nor social housing....
as more and more "Hardworking families" find themselves demoted to the poorest in society( and it happens overnight) then more and more people will vote for parties who they feel dont ignore them
I will never vote for the BNP but i can see how and why people do and I believe many of them ignore the BNP's overtly racist policies in favour of the other stuff they come out with about supporting the great british public and culture etc
Zabo
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Below a good blog from the BBC's Gavin Hewitt echoing Starfish's comments.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/10/the_bnp_and_the_white_working.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2009/10/the_bnp_and_the_white_working.html
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Excellent post, although when Bob Crow appeared on BBC News via video-line from a picket line with a "Cuban solidarity" t-shirt, he was living the union baron caricature. Same goes for the pinstriped tube boss they plonked down in the studio, to be fair.
This is all over the news sites, and will doubtless be headline material tomorrow morning. Great publicity for the BBC. Worse, I think Mr Griffin will play it to his advantage with the panel they've dredged up. If we're talking cartoons ...
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Good blog, although Gavin Hewitt shows he doesn't completely get it in the final paragraph, by saying the white working class are stigmatised by being called chavs. I've heard that word come from the mouths of the people he's talking about far more than anyone else, and they refer to yobs who make life a misery in some places. Mr Hewitt doesn't get that the poorest areas suffer most from crime. Law and order is another area handed to the BNP by the metro elite.
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
No, Ive slagged off people on benefits who COULD work but who make absolutely no effort to do so... people like my ex who has been on and off sickness and JSA since he left me 9 years ago so that he wont have to pay child support.
Or couples who sit at home whinging that one of them couldnt possibly even get a part time job or work one day a week each in order to qualify for working tax credits and make life better for them and their children when they have absolutely no reason whatsoever not be able to ( neither are sick or unable to do a few hours work each day for any reason such as caring for a disabled child) After all the minimum is 16 hours per week between a COUPLE not each or from one person... thats a few hours a day each.... You could do that by doing any number of small jobs/being self employed/ an avon lady. All things Ive done when Ive had to to make ends meet for my kids to have things theyve needed
while you on the other hand go out of your way to misrepresent my views at every turn....
I know which Id rather be, honest in my views? Or you?
Or couples who sit at home whinging that one of them couldnt possibly even get a part time job or work one day a week each in order to qualify for working tax credits and make life better for them and their children when they have absolutely no reason whatsoever not be able to ( neither are sick or unable to do a few hours work each day for any reason such as caring for a disabled child) After all the minimum is 16 hours per week between a COUPLE not each or from one person... thats a few hours a day each.... You could do that by doing any number of small jobs/being self employed/ an avon lady. All things Ive done when Ive had to to make ends meet for my kids to have things theyve needed
while you on the other hand go out of your way to misrepresent my views at every turn....
I know which Id rather be, honest in my views? Or you?
audiotech
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There is a responsibility attached to 'free speech' and Griffin is incapable of expressing anything worth listening to.
starfish2000
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Im a train guard and believe you me, where I work we are not in recession, quite the opposite....its busy busy busy, but we've had restructuring and most of that has been salary cuts and changes of job descriptions, but its funny how these CEO's never cut their own salaries eh.
Im expecting them to have a go at my T & C's in the next 6 months and why....working odd hours I often use taxi's and takeaways, precisely the sort of small service industries vital to our economy, but rather than accept that its good to pay people money they can spend, they'd rather take it for their own pockets. I love the fact that the Institute of Directors wants the retirement age raising to 70....my father died at 65, my mother at 67, so effectively Ive a load of Establishment cunts imposing a death sentence on my prosperity. Thats far more real to me than Al Quaida or the BNP.
Modern news events are lies, they are their to perpetuate fear in meaningless threats, when the very real threat to your happiness is probably your boss, your elected representative or the person who owns the newspaper you read.
Im expecting them to have a go at my T & C's in the next 6 months and why....working odd hours I often use taxi's and takeaways, precisely the sort of small service industries vital to our economy, but rather than accept that its good to pay people money they can spend, they'd rather take it for their own pockets. I love the fact that the Institute of Directors wants the retirement age raising to 70....my father died at 65, my mother at 67, so effectively Ive a load of Establishment cunts imposing a death sentence on my prosperity. Thats far more real to me than Al Quaida or the BNP.
Modern news events are lies, they are their to perpetuate fear in meaningless threats, when the very real threat to your happiness is probably your boss, your elected representative or the person who owns the newspaper you read.
themonkeyman
WHOOO HOOOO !!!
YES YES YES
I work up that way and I saw all the protestors up at television centre. There were about a thousand of them all on the road. No traffic could get past at all. What they all need to do is head home watch or don't watch tonight's show, but preferably the former and watch Nick Griffin get torn to shreds. God knows how much it is costing to police that lot. I heard the police helicopter there all day long !
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
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Griiffo's allowed and you ain't got it yet? Shame.
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
I get it.... those range of reasons should include the right of others to comprehensively take him to bits and rubbish his views or order to demonstrate how little worth they have
Thats far more valuable than saying "dont listen to him, everything he says is rubbish"
Thats far more valuable than saying "dont listen to him, everything he says is rubbish"
Grandma Death
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I didn't say don't listen to the twat. I said he's incapable of saying anything worth listening to and he is.
john x
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Unfortunately to rubbish his views you need to get him to express them. He will sound all respectable and reasonable here tonight.
He will not say the holocaust didn't happen.
He will not say Hitler had the right idea.
He will not say the Jews are the cause of the world's problems.
He will not say that in his all white Britain, people will be forcibly repatriated if they don't take the generous inducements to 'return home'
And sadly there is no-one on the panel smart enough to 'out' these views from him.
john x
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
No you infered that he shouldnt on the programme and be allowed to speak on the grounds that with free speech comes responsibility and you believe nothing he says is worth listening to
and John..... Why pre-empt whats going to be said on the programme...? isnt the point of question time for the PUBLIC to be able to attend and ask the questions.
I would be massively suprised if none of those questions/themes are put directly to Nick Griffin this evening- in fact Id hope the beeb would make sure thsoe questions are included- even if its only because you believe they want the ratings through the roof
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Not in the minds of his fellow panellists. They think all conservative views are extremist. Mr Griffin will probably come out against mass immigration, our cardboard criminal justice system, division based on ethnicity, and the decline of our industry. These are things his fellow panellists hold dear, and will attack him for. If he's smart, he'll stick in some crowd-pleasing opposition to the Iraq and Afghan wars, which will cause his fellow panellists to squirm. Maybe call for the railways to be renationalised for good measure.
End result: millions who aren't frothing racial bigots see Mr Griffin being excoriated for holding the views they do, and fell inclined to vote for him. And his fellow panellists troop home and congratulate themselves on a job well done.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
There's plenty of things he wont say, but what about what he will say?
He WILL say that we need a managed immigration policy, and in that one sentence he will instantly demonstrate why at the next election the BNP will show huge gains, simply because the main stream parties will not address the issue.
He WILL say that we need a managed immigration policy, and in that one sentence he will instantly demonstrate why at the next election the BNP will show huge gains, simply because the main stream parties will not address the issue.
john x
Well-Known Member
Have you seen question time before?
a) Audience questions are very limited and are controlled through the chair. It is not easy to start a dialogue with a panelist as they are generally protected by the chair.
and b) The audience will be strictly vetted tonight.
I'd like to see it happen but it is very unlikely. And because it is pre-recorded, if it really kicked off we wouldn't see it.
john x
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
Of COURSE Ive seen question time before
The beeb are likely to have exactly those questions put to him, its a ratings winner
The beeb are likely to have exactly those questions put to him, its a ratings winner
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