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For what? I looked at those stats some time ago, noted that there was way too much hyperbole about the BNP being 'on the up' so i did checkable calculations which showed their vote had gone down.

You are excpecting me to have unbiquitous stats when I have approached them, as I am, which is as an individual, with limited capabilities. So I have posted stats which are relevant for the political position I am supporting - there is nothing unusual in this.

you clearly are of very limited capabilities as these stats have been available since the election where i linked to .. not that hard to think that Hnh and UAF would publish them was it??? and so all that time you have been bullshitting?? yes simply

and yes now you admit you put prejudice before analysis - incredible ..

"So I have posted stats which are relevant for the political position I am supporting - there is nothing unusual in this" ..

yes there is - it is politically, intelectually and academically wrong. It is bullshit it is dishonest and it has has distorted and disrupted real analysis of the strengths and weknesses of the bnp ..
 
Meanwhile....

The BNP leadership strife has been brewing for ages though. What's that anti-Griffin offshoot called, New Start, Fresh Dawn, or something? They don't want to split the party but are by their very nature a split? Voice of Reason, I think it is, thinking about it, they wear badges at meetings to show they don't agree with the way Griffin is taking the party.

Here in Preston, the BNP has been something of a oneman band for a while, and indeed we now have Mark Cotterill and the EFP to deal with. For all they matter in Liverpool, Burnley, Pendle and such, they really don't factor much in places like this.

The leadership struggle is no surprise. One side of the party seems to want to turn them into some far-conservative/community action umbrella group; the other to keep them on the extreme. The factions have been falling off for years, too, from National Democrats through England First and such, in much the same way that the extreme left often find it hard to keep unified parties together without fringes suffering "onion skin weathering". The difference here, I think, is the BNP have been stuttering electorally recently, even with the GLA result, and may really struggle to come across as a genuinely credible alternative if they begin the slow decline into in-fighting and leadership strife.

I expect a lot more "independent nationalists" to stand in elections as and when the BNP factions slip away, whilst the non-electorally inclined may just end up as minor players in the footnotes of Letters To The Editor...
 
Meanwhile....

The BNP leadership strife has been brewing for ages though. What's that anti-Griffin offshoot called, New Start, Fresh Dawn, or something? They don't want to split the party but are by their very nature a split? Voice of Reason, I think it is, thinking about it, they wear badges at meetings to show they don't agree with the way Griffin is taking the party.

Here in Preston, the BNP has been something of a oneman band for a while, and indeed we now have Mark Cotterill and the EFP to deal with. For all they matter in Liverpool, Burnley, Pendle and such, they really don't factor much in places like this.

The leadership struggle is no surprise. One side of the party seems to want to turn them into some far-conservative/community action umbrella group; the other to keep them on the extreme. The factions have been falling off for years, too, from National Democrats through England First and such, in much the same way that the extreme left often find it hard to keep unified parties together without fringes suffering "onion skin weathering". The difference here, I think, is the BNP have been stuttering electorally recently, even with the GLA result, and may really struggle to come across as a genuinely credible alternative if they begin the slow decline into in-fighting and leadership strife.

I expect a lot more "independent nationalists" to stand in elections as and when the BNP factions slip away, whilst the non-electorally inclined may just end up as minor players in the footnotes of Letters To The Editor...

totally agree with this the bnp " ..may really struggle to come across as a genuinely credible alternative if they begin the slow decline into in-fighting and leadership strife." i genuinely think this may be the beginning of the end for the BNP ..

while it would be foolish to not be happy at this it will be little reward for us .. their failure will have been one of, as you say, infighting and schism and probable state disruption, rather than us having created a real w/c alternative ..

and it is important to remember that the joy of the leftists in 79 at stopping a NF breakthrough was with almost entirely misplaced as instead we started what is now nearly 30 years of hard core neo liberalism .. some victory
 
The BNP "turning circle of a whale" has been to build a w/c alternative with bizarre mixes of community politics a la LibDemmery (my own party, to declare an interest) and attempts at centre-right grumblings on immigration, jobs etc rather than the usual green ink paranoia. Sadly for them, the Griffin agenda of being the one big face of this grand brand new w/c alternative party has turned somewhat sour; the other side of the split aren't even that eager to use the BNP name if it means being associated with the Griffin "cult of celebrity".
 
http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2008/05/auty-leadership-campaign-in-rapid.html

the end of the bnp in west yorks for some time?? the rumour was tha barny might be involved but i think that is too soon for him to blow is chances .. though equally he is fairly untouchable for now

btw is it possible that griffin is the spook?? http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2008/05/disquiet-in-bnp-over-strange-invitation.html

btw2 good littel article in bnp and class http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2008/05/they-just-piss-on-working-class-bnps.html
 
Playing out exactly as i said then. Local stuff has year to be dealt with. Griffin made himself NW (?) organiser to sideline Jackon - who takes over yorkshire?

Odd that the reporting from some here has gone from yet more 'party splits - game's up' tripe stuff post-may to...more of the exact same. (see above)
 
hi ba . i wonder whether these two wings ( neo fascist griffin and community nationalist - auty ) are reconcilable. I suspect neither would have thought they had a hope in hell 10 years ago .. now they can both stand and with the right campaign get elected they both think they can go on their own .. i think that is unlikely .. the neo fasc have hidden behind the community nat front while the community nats have relied on the nutters for their edge, backbone, security, money and a lot of door knockers. On their own i think they are fairly unelectable - harrington has been trying the community nationalist angle for 20 years with pretty well zero success and on the other end the N9S have been equally unsucessful

the logic of this is that, to destroy the bnp, we would work on this schism. My point is that while not a bad thing it still does not get us anywhere better and those sympathisers will end up supportting a tory far right govt
 
you clearly are of very limited capabilities as these stats have been available since the election where i linked to .. not that hard to think that Hnh and UAF would publish them was it??? and so all that time you have been bullshitting?? yes simply

and yes now you admit you put prejudice before analysis - incredible ..

"So I have posted stats which are relevant for the political position I am supporting - there is nothing unusual in this" ..

yes there is - it is politically, intelectually and academically wrong. It is bullshit it is dishonest and it has has distorted and disrupted real analysis of the strengths and weknesses of the bnp ..

Oh great and glorious leader (but you have no clothes:p:D

Doh!! Of course I haven't analysed everywhere - i have a life FFS :cool:

I have posted stats up from around the country on other threads, and I reproduce some of my stats below for you. I am awfully sorry for not producing comprehensive stats (if somebody wants to pay us £30k a year pro rata I could).

I have put something in italics above which is pure bullshit/baloney from start to finish. Now I am not going to point out that the spelling you used makes you look stupid, because the meaning of the sentance (despite your efforts to camoflage it by bad spelling) is what is worth criticising.

Anybody with any knowledge knows that you produce an argument to back up your theory, stats can be part of this. You do not produce stats to back up somebody elses' theory! Doh!! If that is not too difficult for you, then you should have realised that the intellectual and academic integrity is in the stats I have produced/used to back up the points I am making.

Now Ok so far. So you have said that your intention was to provide analysis of "analysis of the strengths and weknesses of the bnp". You do so by pointing out how 'well' they are doing, providing selective stats.

Now, my priority has been, and is evidenced from below, is to look at the real level of importance of the BNP in areas where they are standing AND areas where they are not. My priority, as always, is to explain what is happening in ways which make sense. Considering the bigger picture where they are still an irrelevance. In the last few years they have gone from completely marginal to totally irrelevant:D:p So rather than focus on the BNP alone, I look at the larger political picture which, to my mind, is important, as if you focus with an obsessive fetishisation on the BNP alone your sense of what is happening in the wider world is skewed. This in turn, affects the range of responses you are going to think are the priority. That, I do detect very clearly with the likes of Gary O'Shea and other anti fascist analysts, whose political knowledge and relationships with the wider world are non existent..


"Here is the analysis I did - did you forget? They spread themselves around and have no chance of winning any. Look at their highest vote, in 1 of their 3 core areas. Adam Walker got 32.18% for the BNP - BUT labour got nearly 60%!!! The BNP are never going to win that seat and that is their best vote, which rapidly declines out of their 3 core areas. Their other votes in County Durham are rubbish.

Durham County Council May 2008 - 126 seats up for grabs and BNP challenged in 30 of them. You cast 2 votes, and so I have added 2 bnp votes together and divided by 2.

Aycliffe East 2 (seats up for grabs) - 13.31%
Bishop 2 -5.51%
Brandon 2 - 8.63%
Chilton (local BNP base) 2 (inc 1 of their stars Adam Walker) - 32.18% Labour won here with 57.99% almost twice as much.
Crook South 1 - 7.65%
Deerness Valley 2 - 7.76%
Durham South 1 - 3.73%
Ferryhill 2 - 11.52%
Framwellgate moor 1 - 4.13%
Gilesgate 1 - 1.76%
Sedgefield 2 - 5.45%
Shildon East 2 - 12.56%
Shildon West 2 - 12.98%
Spennymoor 2 (another base) - 26.36%
Trimdon 2 - 12.37%
Tudhoe 2 (another base) - 28.88%
Willington 2 - 5.71%

= average vote of 12.79%.

HOWEVER take out their 6 base wards of the 30 and you get 24 seats where their average vote is 8.7%. So you take 3 areas out of the 17 districts, which leaves over 80% (82.35% to be exact) of Durham with an average BNP vote of 8.7%.

I cannot see how you can explain the vast differences in BNP vote levels any other way than via a cultural materialist one, and combined and uneven development of consciousness. In Gilesgate the BNP get 1.76%, a bit down the road they are getting 32.18%. These differences are local conditions, which is the combined and uneven development of consciousness, across a wide area their average vote is 8.7% which is a level that they 'should' be at if objective conditions were dominant everywhere."
 
On the leadership challenge, interesting to note that its only still the Voice of Change mob signed up, and not even all of them. I doubt whether Auty will get the 100 signatures needed for a challenge. A lot of their supporters seem to have drifted back to Griffin

No news on a challnenge from Chris Jackson
 
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