bnp bwhahaaha

[tangentlama]

fascism isn't automatically racist.

there's national 'anarchism', isn;t there.
article by none other than bnp frontman, nick griffin, on national 'anarchism'.
http:// thunderbay.indymedia.org/news/2005/03/19220.php

 

[audiotech]

More intrigue surrounding BNP resignation

The BNP's twelve worst councillors

<Libcom down again.>

 

[Patty]

fascism isn't automatically racist... I can't see that deluding many people, though it might ease some consciences in those who are borderline and allow them to convince themselves that voting BNP doesn't mean they're Hitler fans... on their website they quote an expectancy of 40 years before they come to power. But they do need jumping on and delegitemising as much as possible, It worries me that they are projecting a distinct identity and coherent politics compared to Blairmeron et al.

Yeah, I broadly agree with that but I worry when come election time so many people tell me they are going to vote for the BNP. Admitedly alot of those people are blokes in pubs who don't really give a damn about anything but the price of a pint and are racists as a matter of course.
But I do really worry when friends and fammily of mine, ordinary working people, single mums, college students say they want to vote BNP bacause they "stand up for us".
It's no good just saying the BNP are Nazis, they don't look like, talk like or act like Nazis to most people in white, de-industrialised towns up and down the country.
40 years to fascism eh? better start stockpliing ammunition ready for the race war!

 

[Nigel]

Corruption Consuming Itself!!!!!

there's national 'anarchism', isn;t there.
article by none other than bnp frontman, nick griffin, on national 'anarchism'.
http:// thunderbay.indymedia.org/news/2005/03/19220.php

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Interesting that you brought this up. Both Nick Griffin and Troy Southgate have a background in the International Third Position, a specific ideological dynamic that developed out of the NF.

Many have argued that the BNP under Griffin went along the lines of the Euro-Fascists. But the influence of the Third Positionists is as paramount as that of Haider or Le Penn.

I recall reading something about an NF papers' front headline being 'Stop Racist Attacks' in the late 1970's, which apparentely helped to create divisions in the NF, which may have lead to the eventual split in the National Directorate(along with Websters Homosexuality). Could this have been influenced by Third Way/Third Positionist elements, who are sympathetic to Qaddaffi and the Iranian Theocracy.

There could posibly be a pattern here, with the Flag Wavers pushed into the back seat with the demise of Tindall and the Neo Nazis just fantacising about the 'good old days', there can be no doubt that the BNP have internal tensions.

 

[Gavin Bl]

How does any of this prove that Islamaphobia is rife among the general population?

Malik's site and arguments were referred to, in order to show that Islamophonia was not 'rife'. If his work is questionable, then that would undermine the argument of the poster - i.e that maybe it is rife.

 

[Ryoma]

#
Interesting that you brought this up. Both Nick Griffin and Troy Southgate have a background in the International Third Position, a specific ideological dynamic that developed out of the NF.

Many have argued that the BNP under Griffin went along the lines of the Euro-Fascists. But the influence of the Third Positionists is as paramount as that of Haider or Le Penn.

I recall reading something about an NF papers' front headline being 'Stop Racist Attacks' in the late 1970's, which apparentely helped to create divisions in the NF, which may have lead to the eventual split in the National Directorate(along with Websters Homosexuality). Could this have been influenced by Third Way/Third Positionist elements, who are sympathetic to Qaddaffi and the Iranian Theocracy.

There could posibly be a pattern here, with the Flag Wavers pushed into the back seat with the demise of Tindall and the Neo Nazis just fantacising about the 'good old days', there can be no doubt that the BNP have internal tensions.

It's important to see 'Third Positionism', 'Euro-nationalism', 'March and Grow' as divisions WITHIN Fascism. The same conflicts existed with Fascism in the 20's and 30's and also fascist movements have their own distinct national characteristics.

Far Right, like Far Left parties, always have internal tensions and always have had. The display of unity is largely illusionary as Fascist Movements draw from largely disparate elements (Lumpen – Working Class – Lower Middle Class – Small and Large Businessman) with different emphasis and concerns. What hold them together are success and a competent leadership who can manage the contradictions.

 

[JimPage]

The point is to see it for what it is: Pure Propaganda and these people will be quickly ditched if the Party ever came within a sniff of power.

Still it must f*ck off the Nazi hardcore cadre to have to tolerate them...Ha Ha! ....and hopefully it will cause some kind of split.

another spin on "the bnp havent changed since 1994"

"hardcore nazi cadre" FFS. they dont exist and havent done so for 10 years or so. i despair of the english left sometimes

 

[JimPage]

#
Interesting that you brought this up. Both Nick Griffin and Troy Southgate have a background in the International Third Position, a specific ideological dynamic that developed out of the NF.

>>>>Firstly, soutgate is in a mmebrship of 1 in whatever he calls his sect nowdays- and is simply irrelevant. only the bnp count

Many have argued that the BNP under Griffin went along the lines of the Euro-Fascists. But the influence of the Third Positionists is as paramount as that of Haider or Le Penn.

>>>> there really isnt a third positionist leaning in BNP is- but there is s small strasserite formationa round its Solidarity trades union front


There could posibly be a pattern here, with the Flag Wavers pushed into the back seat with the demise of Tindall and the Neo Nazis just fantacising about the 'good old days', there can be no doubt that the BNP have internal tensions.

>>>>> wishful thinking . dont mix up stormfron internet nutzis with the majority eurnationalists who run the bnp- who are probably content with gawads candidature

 

[kerb]

bnp have angered there own supporters by choosing an armenian candiadate with a funny name.
stupid nazi's even there leadership can't figure out how to be proper nazis

in case i missed it... was there a link that went with this story?

bet some of them are pissed. eh, serves them right, right wing a***holes

tanks

 

[likesfish]

front page of last weeks torygraph

 

[Ryoma]

If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck.....

another spin on "the bnp havent changed since 1994"

"hardcore nazi cadre" FFS. they dont exist and havent done so for 10 years or so. i despair of the english left sometimes

The BNP are certainly a fascist Party - Ultra Nationalist, Racist, anti-Communist, pro-Small Business, anti-Big Business, anti-Jewish, social base is the Lumpen Proles/Non-Union Workers and middle classes etc. etc., It's leaders even deny the Holocaust and subscribe to the loony Jewish Conspracy theory of History - and on a superficial level it's publications are full of Runic symbols (so beloved of Hilter's Nazis)

Sure it's toned down some of the rhetoric but it's all on the surface.

They tick all the boxes as far as I'm concerned!

 

[northernhord]

worra buncha fuckin plonkers the BNP are, didnt a Hindu guy support them somewhere in Yorkshire a while back cos he said that Muslims didnt fit in with British society?

 

[morlock]

The BNP are certainly a fascist Party

And our current government differs from them how, exactly?

... anti-Communist, pro-Small Business, anti-Big Business..

...Which an awful lot of voters will agree with!

it's publications are full of Runic symbols (so beloved of Hilter's Nazis)

What publicationswould these be, and in what issues? It seems hardly credible that any organisation seeking a mass membership would do such a thing.

Have you been overdosing on Searchlight by any chance?

 

[Patty]

And our current government differs from them how, exactly?

The current, Labour government is different species to the BNP, and if it came to pass a BNP government.
Firstly, New Labour have their roots in the broad Labour movement. Supporting workers rights, combating racism, homophobia and persueing a broadly progressive political agenda was the remit of the LP, at least in the eyes of it's supporters and activists, who in the past had more influence than they do now.New Labour claims to inherit these values. Not to say that the LP was never influenced by the attitudes of the times in the past, there has been racism, sexism and homophobia within the LP as with the broader Labour movement. New Labour are playing a game of appeasment to the centre right with their curent anti reffugee polocies. (No I'm not a Labour suporter, New or Old)

The BNP, on the other hand has it's roots in the Facist movement that has traditionally been opposed to all reforms towards racial equality. Racist attacks, calls for repatriation of immigrants, homophobia and anti trade unionism has been the remit of the BNP. It has bassed it's self largely on alienated white working class people.
If a BNP government came to power, and this is speculation, there would be a winding back of all legal measures taken for racial equality over the past 50 years. There would be probably be massive social unrest and it's doubtfull that a far right government would be able keep controll without mass suport of at least the more alienated working class people and harsh repression.

 

[morlock]

What I was getting at is that it isn’t the BNP that have been stripping away civil liberties - it’s Labour. The abuse of political power under this government – the erosion of rights and freedoms, the rigging of postal ballots, proposed political vetting, exclusion from union membership, the increasing centralisation of power – is, in my view, a creeping totalitarianism.

The BNP are a million miles from ever gaining power.

Instead of using the BNP as a bogeyman, shouldn’t people try to deal with the here and now and try to oppose what Blair’s government is doing?

 

[Patty]

I agree that the BNP are a long way off becoming the governing party. On a local level though the BNP can do a lot of damage. Where they have local support they are able to whip up racial tensions between comunities and it enboldens hard core facists in an area, they become less covert. There has been a rise in racist attacks over the recent period and Britian is becoming more divided. I see the BNP as being one of the main protaganists in this.
Yeah, the government is taking away civil liberties. I think though that this is partly crisis management. Their attempt to place British world "interests" with the US has led to a hightened risk of terrorism and like any other politically "centre ground" government the only way they have of dealing with this is through strengthening the invasive powers of the state. Nothing short of a full withdrawal of British involvement in the Middle East will stop the threat but it's much easier for them to manage the risks.
Labour are a corrupt and rotten party, no doubt about it but that just hands the BNP an oppotunity to present themselves as something differnt. Their propaganda dosn't just concentrate on immigration and race, it creates the impression that the BNP are the only party that dosn't take bribes, rig ballots and considering that they are trying to start their own union now, stands up for "British Workers".
I wouldn't say that combating the BNP can be removed from opposing the governments policies, the two are inter related.