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Hang on, *he* was the one banned for posting under another name to back up his own 'viscious personal attacks on others'. And that same night he was off all over the internet pretending to be a member of and speaking for other groups. *He's* the one banned from other sites for attacking posters whilst pretending to be other real-life people. I think you need to aim your fire a little closer to attica.

I spotted Attica on Indymedia and Libcom pretending to be from Class War.

Were there any others?

It is an interesting juxtaposition he has - he gets a temp ban from here for using multiple IDs in order to agree with himself, then goes to two other sites pretending to be CW!
 
I spotted Attica on Indymedia and Libcom pretending to be from Class War.

Were there any others?

It is an interesting juxtaposition he has - he gets a temp ban from here for using multiple IDs in order to agree with himself, then goes to two other sites pretending to be CW!

But at least some agree with him and it seems it was all bullshit (yes agreed he sometimes go down that path)

A few hours ago a report (posted by the idiotic Tommy Williams of Covert Undercover Nuisance Tactics, the pro-Griffin bully-boys of the blogging world) on the nazi Stormfront forum claimed that a bomb had gone off at the entrance to the Red, White and Blue site in the early hours of this morning. The blame was laid very firmly at the feet of 'reds', by which the writers mean anyone who dares to oppose the fascist BNP and the thugs and thieves that infest it.

A short while later, we received an email that told us that Nick Griffin had been overheard on the phone to Williams. Here's part of the message.

'...he tore into him, telling him what a stupid cunt he was and screaming about did he want to bankrupt the fucking party cos he's going the right way about it and to print a retraction and fucking hurry up for this gets spread about.'

Williams' bright idea was to spread it about that the anti-fascists opposing the Red, White and Blue were dangerous terrorists - any hint of bombs and the mind moves easily and obviously to terrorism. Just one problem - there was NO bomb or indeed, incident of any kind. Williams made the whole thing up in the hope that some anti-fascists would keep away from the event and that the police would be even less tolerant than they already are.
http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2008/08/coverts-williams-ordered-to-retract-lie.html

Now Paul while others might think there Class War, you are neither Class War are you?

I will not defend Attica,s actions, but if we are speaking of people i would sooner believe it has to be Attica, and i have a few times and reasons not to trust you, do you have a copy of the Anarchist RULE BOOK, i would like a copy..
 
Mozaz (for e19896 is he) - I'm quite happy to be criticised by you.

Given you are so delusional you once told me you had lived in a squat with Peter Mandelson, you and Attica would make fine complimentary nuts in any Anarchist fruitcake.
 
Mozaz (for e19896 is he) - I'm quite happy to be criticised by you.

Given you are so delusional you once told me you had lived in a squat with Peter Mandelson, you and Attica would make fine complimentary nuts in any Anarchist fruitcake.

Oh, one is so offended at you outing me, fuck check me paranoia, what is it you keep in that bottom draw of your filing cabinet paul?

Never did i say such comments, and remember this is not Attica you are patronising or condescending, so you name Mental Health as delusional, no it is a problem that has an impact upon thousands of working class people, no delusional is someone who thinks they're class war, when in fact it is in a cupboard in your flat, you are not CLASS WAR now that is delusional..
 
I spotted Attica on Indymedia and Libcom pretending to be from Class War.

Were there any others?

It is an interesting juxtaposition he has - he gets a temp ban from here for using multiple IDs in order to agree with himself, then goes to two other sites pretending to be CW!


He IS CW, sort of. I think he fell out with em but still sells the stuff at Gala
 
This is the trouble - always seems to end in argument between or about Class fucking War or CW members, regardless of the action, event or need. :)

I think part of the problem is that fantasists like Mozaz and Attica find a home in the Anarchist movement when they would not be accepted on a long term basis in a workplace, mainstream political party or a trades union.

If you then try and do something about this (as CW did a couple of years back by throwing Attica out in a vote of no confidence) you then attract - permanently - their ire.

As such characters have huge amounts of time on their hands, they are able to turn Internet threads on any subject round to their usual hobby horses. When they get thrown off one site for this, they just pop up on others, as we saw with Attica over the weekend.

Point this out, and you are accused of "discriminating against people with mental health issues" or taking part in petty squabbling, being as bad as the SWP etc, etc,

Its a lose-lose situation for groups, but perhaps not as big a lose-lose situation as going to a CW conference and finding the likes of Mozaz and Attica actually there..........
 
So no bomb pity .No I should take that back .Unless they been chucking bombs about about dont really deserve it.
Well the emergency services dont really deserve having to deal with a bunch of wounded nazis .
 
I think part of the problem is that fantasists like Mozaz and Attica find a home in the Anarchist movement when they would not be accepted on a long term basis in a workplace, mainstream political party or a trades union.

If you then try and do something about this (as CW did a couple of years back by throwing Attica out in a vote of no confidence) you then attract - permanently - their ire.

As such characters have huge amounts of time on their hands, they are able to turn Internet threads on any subject round to their usual hobby horses. When they get thrown off one site for this, they just pop up on others, as we saw with Attica over the weekend.

Point this out, and you are accused of "discriminating against people with mental health issues" or taking part in petty squabbling, being as bad as the SWP etc, etc,

Its a lose-lose situation for groups, but perhaps not as big a lose-lose situation as going to a CW conference and finding the likes of Mozaz and Attica actually there..........

I take your point, albeit I have no firm evidence about Attica's mental health... :D

I tried (again) this year to 'get involved', and walked away from it (again) because of the same old nonsense. Plus ca change?

What is it with CW's fascination and obsession with the SWP? They (SWP) were knobs in the 80s (in Nottingham and London, as far as my direct contact with them went), and I've seen nothing to suggest they've changed or have anything new to say. It seems to be a case of wading through treacle for the sake of it; unproductive, IMHO.

I always liked to read CW but the petty secretarian squabbling, anarchists v left etc, is pointless and self defecting

:cool:
 
i really can't see any point at all of left vs left and anarchist vs anarchist, when New Labour are on the verge of fascism. Surely there's more important enemies to find?
 
i really can't see any point at all of left vs left and anarchist vs anarchist, when New Labour are on the verge of fascism. Surely there's more important enemies to find?

I think you need to look at the tactics of the left before going along with this discourse.
 
And stop this labour = facists nonsense. They're a mainstram pro-capitalism party trying to enact the same reforms as other pro-capitalism parties europe wide. That's it.
 
I think part of the problem is that fantasists like Mozaz and Attica find a home in the Anarchist movement when they would not be accepted on a long term basis in a workplace, mainstream political party or a trades union.

If you then try and do something about this (as CW did a couple of years back by throwing Attica out in a vote of no confidence) you then attract - permanently - their ire.

As such characters have huge amounts of time on their hands, they are able to turn Internet threads on any subject round to their usual hobby horses. When they get thrown off one site for this, they just pop up on others, as we saw with Attica over the weekend.

Point this out, and you are accused of "discriminating against people with mental health issues" or taking part in petty squabbling, being as bad as the SWP etc, etc,

Its a lose-lose situation for groups, but perhaps not as big a lose-lose situation as going to a CW conference and finding the likes of Mozaz and Attica actually there..........

Nothing new to add then Paul other than some old bullshit?

Shall i be serious for one fucking moment, i agree with much of what you have said and Attica can blame no one but himself for his actions, he has only played into your hands with his actions and i have told him such.

Me i shall not fall into that bullshit, you are about right when you say

I think part of the problem is that fantasists like Mozaz and Attica find a home in the Anarchist movement when they would not be accepted on a long term basis in a workplace, mainstream political party or a trades union.

However we are accepted for a while, but we are soon dismissed, as the majority of The Anarchist Movement, any political organisation is often The Middle class can not deal with us, now this comes down to how we organise as a movement and how we deal with the issues of Mental Health.

Just for people new to this, ill be open to say i have Mental Health issues, but this dose not mean i need people to speak for me, i have the intelligence and understanding of myself to do just that.

Paul it was a jibe on my part, but come on attack a comrade who is not here to defend himself, attack a comrade who has a lot to give the movement if only some people practiced there anarchism, instead of ware it like it was a fucking burden, myself i have pride in my anarchism and i will do my up most to accommodate understand all people and if they piss me of, all part of the struggle.

Who proclaimed this was going to be easy, you seem to hold a copy of The Anarchist Rule Book, now if i had a copy i might not have fucked up so much, now could that be another reason..

Paul if you bothered to move from your imposed utopia, check out some facts, you would not make such crass comments, and why the fucking insistence of using my name? To create a paranoia? to wise to old to involved to fall for this bullshit, and if you desire a constructive debate on Mental Health The State and how Anarchism deals with such issues then start the thread, and i do my uppermost to contribute on a fair and equal basis, with out the patronising condescending judgment you have trotted out, just proven again the intolerance of anarchist, to people like myself..
 
Go on. Can you expand on this?

Certainly. Both the Social Democratic left and the Bolshevik inspired lot essentially follow a similar tactic of moving towards power (read bureaucracy) essentially trying to capture it and basing their politics outwards from there as opposed to looking at grass root responses which incorporate things like direct democracy or even that huge bogeyman – direct action. Although they clearly do it for different reasons it effectively as the same result of the class tailing behind something they regard as a better leadership and not throwing up their own independent organisations.

The result of this is disempowerment in favour of another organ, either through the states own designated channels in the case of the statist SD left or via whoever is in favour with the SWP, AWL, SPEW etc be it the T&G, the local mosque, etc.

This can be seen in numerous examples – union work, elections, community etc. A reasonable response to say union work would be to school people in there rights, and organising within and without of the union movement, but not surprisingly this doesn’t happen much within the left.
 
Oh, one is so offended at you outing me, fuck check me paranoia, what is it you keep in that bottom draw of your filing cabinet paul?

Never did i say such comments, and remember this is not Attica you are patronising or condescending, so you name Mental Health as delusional, no it is a problem that has an impact upon thousands of working class people, no delusional is someone who thinks they're class war, when in fact it is in a cupboard in your flat, you are not CLASS WAR now that is delusional..

Someone can say they are class war and not belong to the class war official group.
Class war is bigger than any group. Its a movement not a little group.;)
 
And if they try and pretend to be in the offical group?

Do you see?

yes i do see, but come on a moment and if the official group claim to be something more than they are, then criticise others for there bullshit, we all know class war is just a sum of itself and not what lies one person tell,s us..

at the top of class war is a dictatorial person, and it was whom Attica pissed of, then they come along and almost celebrate there circumstance hardly fucking anarchism is it Paul Marsh, and i note you have not even bothered to reply further..

here lies a problem the likes of Paul Marsh are respected trusted (and i can see why) and when he begins his whispers and lies against people like myself there more trusted, because he has not Mental Health issues, so when i have a truth to tell it is dismissed and we all know the consequence of this, the far right are growing and despite the claims of toy town anarchist to have them on the down turn, it is nothing to do with them.

it is more to do with how crass they are at organising, how crass the secret state are in keeping them organised, now i know with the info i have who i would desire to share it with and sadly Paul Marsh would not in any circumstance come to the top of my list due to his lies and actions, he has proven himself once again in the way he come onto this subject in an almost triumphalist manor, and you are an anarchist?
 
Certainly. Both the Social Democratic left and the Bolshevik inspired lot essentially follow a similar tactic of moving towards power (read bureaucracy) essentially trying to capture it and basing their politics outwards from there as opposed to looking at grass root responses which incorporate things like direct democracy or even that huge bogeyman – direct action. Although they clearly do it for different reasons it effectively as the same result of the class tailing behind something they regard as a better leadership and not throwing up their own independent organisations.

The result of this is disempowerment in favour of another organ, either through the states own designated channels in the case of the statist SD left or via whoever is in favour with the SWP, AWL, SPEW etc be it the T&G, the local mosque, etc.

This can be seen in numerous examples – union work, elections, community etc. A reasonable response to say union work would be to school people in there rights, and organising within and without of the union movement, but not surprisingly this doesn’t happen much within the left.

Ok. But I'm trying to digest that in context. I intuitively feel that your point about the move towards power ( bureaucracy) is correct. I'm not sure how this explains the fractures in radical groups. Mind you, I was up at 5 this morning. :)

the far right are growing and despite the claims of toy town anarchist to have them on the down turn, it is nothing to do with them.

Good work, e19896. And there's the rub for me. Guess I'm a single issue "anarchist". :(
 
No Reply Than Paul Marsh, shows the utteer contempt you hold for some of your own class,,

Er no - just utter contempt for you. How can anyone debate with a man who says he shared a squat with Peter Mandelson?

Oh - and how are you working class Mozaz? As far as I am aware you have never worked? Indeed the last time I saw you, you were physically incapable of work, due to your own obesity.

Its a good job all those working class people pay taxes to look after you isn't it........
 
Er no - just utter contempt for you. How can anyone debate with a man who says he shared a squat with Peter Mandelson?

Oh - and how are you working class Mozaz? As far as I am aware you have never worked? Indeed the last time I saw you, you were physically incapable of work, due to your own obesity.

Its a good job all those working class people pay taxes to look after you isn't it........

POINT BEING?
 
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