BNP attack UAF leafleters in Morley

[ihateblair]

The Morley leafletters were lucky they got away so lightly IMO. Revolution and Workers Power have being banging on for ages about how we need to organise self-defence when doing anti fascist work. At the Leeds University UAF meeting this event was brought up and the SWP were still arguing that we don't need to organise self-defence. One SWSS member even said that the only reason they were attacked is because the BNP is losing the argument and UAF are winning. They used violence as a last resort and that shows how weak they are!

 

[Taxamo Welf]

I sometimes think the BNP and ANL are more interested in fighting each other than hindering/helping ethnic minorities

er they are, and if not, they should be. Antifascism is not about protecting ethnic minorities, its about antifascism.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

One SWSS member even said that the only reason they were attacked is because the BNP is losing the argument and UAF are winning. They used violence as a last resort and that shows how weak they are!

jesus christ thats almost funny.

spion: i don't think anyone is saying the Morley inident didn't take place. And from a few threads on different fora it would seem the attackers were not kids, and at least some were deffo BNP.

I don't think this contradicts the fact the BNP are winning votes through euronationalism not violence. Just cos one attack happened doesn't mean their whole tactic has changed. BNP bods are nasty violent cunts, this is not in dispute. That they have a decent tactic which they are using which does not involve violence, does not change this. Course local BNP activists will chase off unprepared UAF or whoever - look at any video of collett, who is hardly the hardest man in leeds, and he's always playing it tough.

I think people too quickly retreat into trenches over this. Yes the BNP are post-fascist euro nationalists, no they are not going to march on tower hamlets you silly trots. But no, they are not super fluffy little englander Tory racists all of a sudden.

 

[Spion]

spion: i don't think anyone is saying the Morley inident didn't take place.

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=5274963#post5274963

And from a few threads on different fora it would seem the attackers were not kids, and at least some were deffo BNP.

Urban threads or elsewhere?

 

[JimPage]

I don't agree they don't or will not use street muscle in conjunction with electoral methods. It's not a case of them either being 'on the street' or not.

--- the muscle is there to be sure-

The BNP leadership are lifelong fascists. They may have downplayed physical force for now but I've no reason to believe they have removed it from their armoury of strategic political methods.

---- yes- the leadership are fash- but of the eurnatioanslist and not nutzi variety- a big difference. physical force hasnt been a primary tactic for 10 years now- the primary one is community based electoral politics. back in the day elections used to be an excuse to hold a public meeting to have a bracly with whoever mobilised- now they go out of their way to avoid confrontation

even if this incident happenend exactly as stated- this is 1% of what theydo- its getting tactics to deal with th other 99% which is the main problem

 

[The Black Hand]

I don't agree they don't or will not use street muscle in conjunction with electoral methods. It's not a case of them either being 'on the street' or not.

--- the muscle is there to be sure-

The BNP leadership are lifelong fascists. They may have downplayed physical force for now but I've no reason to believe they have removed it from their armoury of strategic political methods.

---- yes- the leadership are fash- but of the eurnatioanslist and not nutzi variety- a big difference. physical force hasnt been a primary tactic for 10 years now- the primary one is community based electoral politics. back in the day elections used to be an excuse to hold a public meeting to have a bracly with whoever mobilised- now they go out of their way to avoid confrontation

even if this incident happenend exactly as stated- this is 1% of what theydo- its getting tactics to deal with th other 99% which is the main problem

In the areas that they are campaigning, which IS a limited number. I agree that they are growing but it is a very very small party growing at a small rate... there are many many other struggles going on...

 

[darren redparty]

The BNP are planning a march this Saturday through Barking. A return to 'street politics' it seems. The 'respectable' tactic was always just that - a short to medium term tactic.

did this happen?

 

[Taxamo Welf]

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=5274963#post5274963

Urban threads or elsewhere?

no that post says 'it sounds like bollocks to me' and then goes on to say it may have happened. its not a prtticularly serious comment.

yes threads on libcom and meanwhile.

 

[fanciful]

Of course Ihateblair's right about the need to organise self defence, but the record of WP/Revolution in Leeds isn't exactly a shining one. From my recollection at the last council elections you were boasting on how you'd got more people to leaflet away from Morley, than UAF had got to leaflet in it and
of course your very own Simon H was arguing that there was no need to vote labour to stop the BNP in Morley as "what does getting into power mean in the council elections though? They cannot pass a council motion calling for the establishment of gas chambers or forced repatriation. They are limited by the bourgeois politics that elected them, similar to RESPECT in tower hamlets.". In effect claiming that in power they were no different from the Tories or Labour or Respect. Crap.
If fact by abstaining in the election, claiming it doesn't really matter if the BNP were elected, you strengthen the hand of those who point out that it obviously does...but then go onto limit the campaign to an electoral one.
You are the sectarian reflection of SWSS opportunism, neither way will defeat fascism.

 

[darren redparty]

Originally Posted by GrouchoThe BNP are planning a march this Saturday through Barking. A return to 'street politics' it seems. The 'respectable' tactic was always just that - a short to medium term tactic.

did this happen?

well?

 

[Groucho]

well?

It appears to have been moved to Sat 9th December

 

[darren redparty]

It appears to have beemoved to Sat 9th Decembern

surprised?




























not

 

[mk12]

It appears to have been moved to Sat 9th December

why was it changed?

 

[Larry O'Hara]

why was it changed?

Andy Sykes was visiting his hair-stylist?

 

[darren redparty]

It appears to have been moved to Sat 9th December

the post-cliffite school of falsification truly, first as tragedy now as farce

 

[durruti02]

I don't agree they don't or will not use street muscle in conjunction with electoral methods. It's not a case of them either being 'on the street' or not.

--- the muscle is there to be sure-

The BNP leadership are lifelong fascists. They may have downplayed physical force for now but I've no reason to believe they have removed it from their armoury of strategic political methods.

---- yes- the leadership are fash- but of the eurnatioanslist and not nutzi variety- a big difference. physical force hasnt been a primary tactic for 10 years now- the primary one is community based electoral politics. back in the day elections used to be an excuse to hold a public meeting to have a bracly with whoever mobilised- now they go out of their way to avoid confrontation

even if this incident happenend exactly as stated- this is 1% of what theydo- its getting tactics to deal with th other 99% which is the main problem

good post