BNP attack UAF leafleters in Morley

[Paulie Tandoori]

Copeland was ex-BNP by the time he did the nail bombs, though there's no denying a thread between his and their beliefs. I don't think it's simply a question of whether the BNP actually have card carrying paid up members for street muscle. They do have 'supporters' who are happy to do that kind of work for them.

He [Copeland] joined the extremist BNP and became an activist. In 1997 he was photographed standing next to the party's founder John Tyndall. While in the BNP David Copeland found information on the internet on how to make bombs from fireworks. He also read racist and anti-Semitic literature from extreme right wing Christian groups in America.

He moved back to Hampshire at the end of 1998 and joined a small Nazi organisation, the National Socialist Movement. He became its regional unit's leader just a few weeks before his bombing campaign.

Source: BBC news article (albeit with a rather lurid headline)

But my point is that he was still very directly linked to the BNP at 1999, even if he had recently left active membership. Don't make this guy out to be a genius, just rather luckier than the twisted fuckwits on 7/7, tbh.

No platform. Never.

 

[Spion]

I tell you what it doesn't permit--some stupid tosser questioning whether I think the BNP is fascist or not, in line with your silly comments about Jim Page. Back to the garden centre with you...

You may think them simply a European-style ultra-nationalist party, or some other type of right wing formation. Not everyone thinks they're fascist and there's absolutely no reason I should have heard of you or what you think. Try and comprehend that will you?

 

[Spion]

Copeland wasn't your average BNP member--and in any event his actions were allowed to continue, up to and including fatalities, by MI5/Special Branch license. Then there is the still unresolved Lecomber plot--or can't we mention this because the village idiot on here has never heard of Lecomber, or Joe Owens??

If you are the knowledgable fellow you obviously consider yourself to be you'd do yourself a lot of favours by communicating without resorting to petulant abuse.

 

[Spion]

But my point is that he was still very directly linked to the BNP at 1999, even if he had recently left active membership. Don't make this guy out to be a genius, just rather luckier than the twisted fuckwits on 7/7, tbh.

No platform. Never.

I guess the point is, what were the nature of those links? Did they know about his bombing plans? Or, did he leave and formulate them in isolation?

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Then there is the still unresolved Lecomber plot--or can't we mention this because the village idiot on here has never heard of Lecomber, or Joe Owens??

Lancaster UAf have some good stuff on the latter.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Lancaster UAf have some good stuff on the latter.

I know--indeed if you read it you will find that my research on the (Lecomber) subject is mentioned more than once...Spion's, on the other hand, not at all...Some mistake, surely??

 

[JHE]

I can't see any mention of a march on the BNP website. I suppose Groucho's post was just to whip up support for a UAF event. Apparently, they've a Hop Not Hat thing on this Saturday. Smash the Naaartzeez!

 

[Zonk]

The BNP are planning a march this Saturday through Barking. A return to 'street politics' it seems. The 'respectable' tactic was always just that - a short to medium term tactic.

Admit it....it's a damned trotting lie isn't it.

 

[Spion]

I know--indeed if you read it you will find that my research on the (Lecomber) subject is mentioned more than once...Spion's, on the other hand, not at all...Some mistake, surely??

Christ man, get a bit of self respect will you?! There's really no need to constantly measure yourself against your perceptions of others. It makes you look like you feel a bit inadequate.

 

[the button]

If I get more info I'll post it.

Link here: -

http://www.socialist worker.co.uk/article.php?article_id=10172

(link broken )

Hmm..... the only mention of this alleged BNP demo comes from Social Worker. Funny, that.

Unless of course the Soggies have managed to infiltrate the local BNP -- which would make a change from the other way round, I suppose.

 

[darren redparty]

Admit it....it's a damned trotting lie isn't it.

I recieved a pm from groucho claiming that the fash were marching under the cover of an anti paedo march.
I asked him why there was no mention of this anywhere in the local press, on stopthebnp or uaf or antifa, or even on stormfront or the bnp website- also why this 'information' had to be sent by pm- why the secrecy?
no reply.
there is a labour party organised anti bnp initiative in barking that day- was this all a lie to try to bring more along to this?

 

[the button]

Surely not.

 

[darren redparty]

he may not be talking cos I am a wassist
http://www.socialistworker.co.u k/article.php?article_id=10138

 

[the button]

he may not be talking cos I am a wassist
http://www.socialistworker.co.u k/article.php?article_id=10138

You're being no platformed on the internet. Poor darren.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

You're being no platformed on the internet. Poor darren.

the social worker link doesn't work, so maybe they are....

 

[darren redparty]

I broke it.The rules say no linking to right wing or dodgy websites

 

[chazegee]

I sometimes think the BNP and ANL are more interested in fighting each other than hindering/helping ethnic minorities

 

[the button]

The BNP are planning a march this Saturday through Barking. A return to 'street politics' it seems. The 'respectable' tactic was always just that - a short to medium term tactic.

OK, it's now near-as-dammit a whole day since this was posted.

Does the baby trotlet have any evidence for this, other than that taken from his own foul rag?

 

[Groucho]

OK, it's now near-as-dammit a whole day since this was posted.

Does the baby trotlet have any evidence for this, other than that taken from his own foul rag?

I think it may be a static local demo not a march. It will be met with a local counter presence.

baby trotlet?

 

[Groucho]

he may not be talking cos I am a wassist
http://www.socialistworker.co.u k/article.php?article_id=10138

I'm still talking to you, even though you are a bit of a prat. But I have much work to do as well as picket lines that needed visiting.


I said bloody war, Marion. I didn't swear, bloody war as in bloody. Oh bloody hell!

 

[Zonk]

I think it may be a static local demo not a march. It will be met with a local counter presence.

baby trotlet?

They wont be there will they.

You're just parachuting in a few spots and sweaters and then going to claim you forced the BNP off the streets.

You've been doing this for fucking years.

 

[the button]

I have much work to do as well as picket lines that needed visiting.

Places to go, papers to sell.

 

[darren redparty]

Places to go, papers to sell.

 

[Joe Reilly]

Are you pro or anti BNP? It's not at all clear from your post

That comment says a lot more about your political affiliations than it does him.

 

[Spion]

That comment says a lot more about your political affiliations than it does him.

Oh really? Tell me about them then.

(why is this thread infested with posters using real-sounding names that talk in riddles?)

 

[audiotech]

Oh really? Tell me about them then.

(why is this thread infested with posters using real-sounding names that talk in riddles?)

It's ultra-leftism gone mad I tell ya!

an infantile disorder, I wouldn't let it worry you
*scarpers*

 

[JimPage]

Well, it seems like a pretty successful tactic judging by their electoral successes. I think it would be counter-productive for them to change their tactics now.

Agree- trying to control the street got nowhere. euronationalism got them 55 councillors- why would they change?

they are not, and probably will not, return to the streets. people who hang around and organise on the off chance they will have wasted the last 10 years of their life.

 

[JimPage]

Are you pro or anti BNP? It's not at all clear from your post

glad to clarify not bnp -but very critical of UAF/ Searchlight etc

 

[Spion]

glad to clarify not bnp -but very critical of UAF/ Searchlight etc

Thanks, squire. Nice to get a straight answer

 

[Spion]

Agree- trying to control the street got nowhere. euronationalism got them 55 councillors- why would they change?

they are not, and probably will not, return to the streets. people who hang around and organise on the off chance they will have wasted the last 10 years of their life.

I don't agree they don't or will not use street muscle in conjunction with electoral methods. It's not a case of them either being 'on the street' or not.

The BNP leadership are lifelong fascists. They may have downplayed physical force for now but I've no reason to believe they have removed it from their armoury of strategic political methods.

I've also no reason to believe that the incident referred to by the OP didn't take place. It quite possibly wasn't BNP but 'fellow travellers'. There's a number of Leeds fans, some ex-fash, who have provided street muscle before.