BNP attack UAF leafleters in Morley

[Larry O'Hara]

Haha, I'll have to get myself one of these "meta-perspectives". Will it allow me to divine the motives and beliefs of posters from a few words?

It wouldn't work for you--I simply used my memory (of his previous posts here & elsewhere)

 

[audiotech]

This sounds like bollocks to me. the BNP havent enaged meaningfully in violence against the left since 1994, and especially since 1999- and no reason for them to start now

if this event even happenned, it was more than likely local pre-bnp neds than bnp members properly

Jimmy, fascists from the NF, to those now who see the BNP as their home, have never really gone away from that particular area of Leeds, along with the attendent rednecks in tow.

Durruti02, local people were some of those attacked.

 

[audiotech]

If you knew anything, you would know he is anti....

And the meta-perspective from which he is critical of the UAF owes something to sympathy for the old AFA position--you certainly wouldn't have easily found them surprised on the streets, or bleating for prosecutions (apart, ironically, from the old state-controlled Leeds AFA--another story )

AFA don't exist now, so the critical meta-perspective is worth nada. Meanwhile, in a certain area of the UK fascists (reportedly in their 30's and 40's) revert to their normal modus opperandi.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

AFA don't exist now, so the critical meta-perspective is worth nada. Meanwhile, in certain areas of the UK fascists (reportedly in their 30's and 40's) revert to their normal modus opperandi.

sadly they don't exist--though antifa do. That said, I'll not accept any serious comment on fascist strategy from the SWP/UAF--like the Bourbons, forgotten nothing, learnt nothing.

 

[audiotech]

sadly they don't exist--though antifa do. That said, I'll not accept any serious comment on fascist strategy from the SWP/UAF--like the Bourbons, forgotten nothing, learnt nothing.

I remember Larry in around 1994 when you put the BNP membership at 1,150 - including the influx of 400 following the election of Derek Beackon - the BNP candidate who won a council seat on the Isle of Dogs. The October print run of British Nationalist was up to 4,600 and Spearhead reached 2,500. These figures, according to yourself at the time were "not impressive".

I can assure you that lessons were learnt from that piece of info - by me at least.

 

[audiotech]

The BNP have now about 6,500 members. That figure too is "not impressive".

 

[Larry O'Hara]

The BNP have now about 6,500 members. That figure too is "not impressive".

I am not sure what point you are making here. I have never underestimated them, nor do I now. The BNP now has moved on strategically since 1994: sadly, mostly improvement. Their membership figures now are rather more impressive than those for the SWP (which are exactly? I don't mean Respect...)..

 

[Spion]

IThe BNP now has moved on strategically since 1994: sadly, mostly improvement.

Improvement in what sense? Do you consider them fascist?

 

[audiotech]

I am not sure what point you are making here. I have never underestimated them, nor do I now. The BNP now has moved on strategically since 1994: sadly, mostly improvement. Their membership figures now are rather more impressive than those for the SWP (which are exactly? I don't mean Respect...)..

I don't know the membership figures for the SWP.

I wasn't implying that you were underestimating them, which gives me an opportunity to make the point that it's important not to overestimate them either.

What is needed is a localised strategy to deal with this problem.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Improvement in what sense? Do you consider them fascist?

what a silly question: I suggest you read anything I have written on them to answer that one. What next: is the Pope a German?

 

[Taxamo Welf]

The BNP have now about 6,500 members. That figure too is "not impressive".

really? i thought it was more...

 

[audiotech]

Paid-up membership has fallen from 7,916 to 6,008 in 12 months,...

http://82.69.12.18/lancasteruafblog/index.php?itemid=505

 

[mk12]

Are you pro or anti BNP? It's not at all clear from your post

this is the sort of thing that pisses me off - you question the tactics of the 'anti-fascist' movement, and try not to deliberately downplay the gains the BNP have made, and your allegiance is called into question.

 

[The Black Hand]

Paid-up membership has fallen from 7,916 to 6,008 in 12 months,...
http://82.69.12.18/lancasteruafblog/index.php?itemid=505

If that is true then ignoring them is the best thing to do!! They have lost approx 25% of their members according to these figures while the entire anti fascist movement has done little nationally that affects this...

Are they a threat? Yes and no, they can be in very limited places, as they can physically...

A greater goal is the wider unity of progressive class struggle forces (TU's, community groups, campaigns) as a means to combat racism and fascism...

 

[Spion]

what a silly question: I suggest you read anything I have written on them to answer that one. What next: is the Pope a German?

I've no idea who the fuck you are. Why would I have read anything you write?

 

[Spion]

this is the sort of thing that pisses me off - you question the tactics of the 'anti-fascist' movement, and try not to deliberately downplay the gains the BNP have made, and your allegiance is called into question.

I suggest you stop being so fucking touchy. I asked a simple question.

Is there some kind of anti-fascist clique here who expect everyone to know who they are in advance or something? Elsewhere here there's a Mr O'Hara who expects me to have read his works in advance of exchanging views on a message board (shakes head)

 

[Groucho]

I've no idea who the fuck you are. Why would I have read anything you write?

Yes, he thinks he's some kind of celeb!

 

[mk12]

I suggest you stop being so fucking touchy. I asked a simple question.

Is there some kind of anti-fascist clique here who expect everyone to know who they are in advance or something? Elsewhere here there's a Mr O'Hara who expects me to have read his works in advance of exchanging views on a message board (shakes head)

Why didn't you just respond to his points? And the question was clearly more loaded than you're making out.

 

[Spion]

Why didn't you just respond to his points? And the question was clearly more loaded than you're making out.

The question was so not loaded. When someone I've never come across tries to deny BNP violence and trumpets their election success with no explanation or perspective given, it's natural to wonder where they're coming from. A simple response to my question would have resolved such a misconception.

 

[Groucho]

The BNP are planning a march this Saturday through Barking. A return to 'street politics' it seems. The 'respectable' tactic was always just that - a short to medium term tactic.

 

[darren redparty]

The BNP are planning a march this Saturday through Barking. A return to 'street politics' it seems. The 'respectable' tactic was always just that - a short to medium term tactic

do you have any more information on this?
nothing on local press or bnp web site or on uaf site or antifa or on here or is it wishful thinking on your part?

 

[darren redparty]

does anyone know anything about this??

 

[Larry O'Hara]

I've no idea who the fuck you are. Why would I have read anything you write?

Because if you did, you stupid knob-end, you wouldn't be asking fuck-stupid questions like do I think the BNP are fascist. Or are you just a troll--in which case sod off back to Gnome Central.

 

[mk12]

he 'respectable' tactic was always just that - a short to medium term tactic

Well, it seems like a pretty successful tactic judging by their electoral successes. I think it would be counter-productive for them to change their tactics now.

 

[Spion]

Because if you did, you stupid knob-end, you wouldn't be asking fuck-stupid questions like do I think the BNP are fascist. Or are you just a troll--in which case sod off back to Gnome Central.

Oh dear me, I'll flagellate myself for not having heard of the world-famous Larry O'Hara and his writings. Get a grip for christ's sake. Simple answers to simple questions will do instead of abuse, though perhaps your obviously vastly-inflated ego doesn't permit that.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

This sounds like bollocks to me. the BNP havent enaged meaningfully in violence against the left since 1994, and especially since 1999- and no reason for them to start now

So David Copeland was just imagination was he?

 

[Groucho]

If I get more info I'll post it.

 

[Spion]

So David Copeland was just imagination was he?

Copeland was ex-BNP by the time he did the nail bombs, though there's no denying a thread between his and their beliefs.

I don't think it's simply a question of whether the BNP actually have card carrying paid up members for street muscle. They do have 'supporters' who are happy to do that kind of work for them.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Oh dear me, I'll flagellate myself for not having heard of the world-famous Larry O'Hara and his writings. Get a grip for christ's sake. Simple answers to simple questions will do instead of abuse, though perhaps your obviously vastly-inflated ego doesn't permit that.

I tell you what it doesn't permit--some stupid tosser questioning whether I think the BNP is fascist or not, in line with your silly comments about Jim Page. Back to the garden centre with you...

 

[Larry O'Hara]

So David Copeland was just imagination was he?

Copeland wasn't your average BNP member--and in any event his actions were allowed to continue, up to and including fatalities, by MI5/Special Branch license. Then there is the still unresolved Lecomber plot--or can't we mention this because the village idiot on here has never heard of Lecomber, or Joe Owens??