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Fullyplumped said:
'Cos the poor ain't getting poorer, are they? 'Cos the council tax ain't crippling pensioners, is it? 'Cos the "virtual end" to youth unemployment isn't the result of virtual jobs or virtual training is it? Just Tories with another label. And I see the Bliar has the cheek (over the weekend) to accuse the Tories of stealing NuLabour's policies!
Streathamite
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I am; he was a reactionary, illiberal, authoritarian wanker of a home sec who makes Straw look progressive and enlightened by comparison, and who would make that radical, socialist, crusading leader of Sheffield Council from the 80s (i.e. D blunkett esq) gape with horror at his anti-worker, anti-youth, anti-inner city policies. I admire him as an individual for the drive and determination that has got him where he is in the face of such handicaps;i despise him for what he has done in office.Fullyplumped said:No, I am not he, nor am I delusional. I am a member of the Labour Party - over 20 years, I recently realiised. They should give me a special red medal.
Why do those of you who want abuse him refer to him using the vulgar term for the female sex part? Are you able to make a political point at a level above that of Derek and Clive? Are you, in fact, students?
And I speak as an ex-LP member, ex-LP council candidate, and ex-LP official.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
the rest of your post(s) are dull typically pro-nu labour rubbish, but i'll just pick up on this load of utter nonsense.Fullyplumped said:
Blunkett married really rather young, and had a very steady relationship until Labour achieved ofice, at which point the marriage fell apart. As a newly single man with fuck all experience of the 'dating game' he has made a number of rash and foolish mistakes as a number of women flatter, fawn and pump his ego. And lord, does he have an ego! Always has, partly how he got where he is of course, but it was always one in severe need fo deflating - and so its a damn fine job that that has been done.
Despite his left face he has always been a shit and a sellout of course - you recall the 'better a dented shield than no shield at all' lie when he scabbed on the anti-ratecapping campaign? He was one of the most authroitarian home secretaries, te reason he didnt stand up to the CS or the coppers is because he coimpletely supports them. I cant think of a single piec eof legislation he introduced that was actually progressive.
Oh, and your point about the letter being a simple mistake for a blind man to make is both pathetic and hypocritical. Pathetic as a piss poor excuse and hypocritical given the claim that he is incredibly on top of his job. But what would one expect from blairbots?
Blunkett is hated by sections of the liberal left because he reminds them of their failures.
He reflects the views of ordinary people and that means he is hated by the elitist left.
As education secretary he expanded H/E whilst also arguing against the reactionaries who wanted even bigger subsidies for H/E students. He argued that "FE students had been paying fees for years and no one moaned but the moment more middle class HE students have to pay the media is all up in arms"
On crime he argues form the position of someone who understands who is most effected by anti social crime. That he has achieved more than any Blind person i can think of in public life says a lot for his determination. And that so many people hate him says a lot for just how out of touch and elitist sections of the liberal left are.
He reflects the views of ordinary people and that means he is hated by the elitist left.
As education secretary he expanded H/E whilst also arguing against the reactionaries who wanted even bigger subsidies for H/E students. He argued that "FE students had been paying fees for years and no one moaned but the moment more middle class HE students have to pay the media is all up in arms"
On crime he argues form the position of someone who understands who is most effected by anti social crime. That he has achieved more than any Blind person i can think of in public life says a lot for his determination. And that so many people hate him says a lot for just how out of touch and elitist sections of the liberal left are.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
christ, i take this tosser off ignore, for that?tbaldwin said:
pathetic even by your standards tb. bland, nonsensical assertion with no relation to reality. blunketts vote on working-class estates in his constituency has collapsed over the previous two elections. he may still win, but thats because there is no opposition. he is widely hated, especially amongst (a large section of) his muslim constituents, not to mention those who he has pushed into the arms of the BNP.
And the point about FE & HE is complete and utter bullshit. full-time FE students never used to pay fees.
Oh and the word 'gliteratti' was first coined in 1956, so if Blunkett claims it as his, he's lying about that too.
Streathamite
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Oh REALLY? And in what way, pray tell, am I NOT an ordinary person?tbaldwin said:
see belboid's point; and why is it then, that the number of w/c kids going on to do degrees has NOt risen appreciable under labour?
i'll tell you why. they are shit-scared of disappearing under a mountain of debt. if nuLab had ANY socialism in it AT ALL, it would fund full-time degree study by means of progressive income tax and corporate taxes
You mean the rest of us AREN'T? balls. I've lived in inner London for most of my adult life. trust me, crime affects me rather more than it affects someone who gets a grace & favour country pad from the taxpayer
who's denying that? and what's that got to do with how reactionary and repressive his policies were, as home sec?
jesus f-ing wept. do you write for the News of the Screws, perchance?
Streathamite
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say wha?tbaldwin said:
and what on earth has that got to do with whether crime affects me or not?
talk sense, man, do.
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hmm, yes it is.belboid said:
ducking the rest, mr baldwin, are we?
pilchardman
Dances With Penguins
You're welcome.Fullyplumped said:
Time was I would have explained what was wrong with Blunkett's latest little rail against people with disabilities and the unemployed, but now I reason since it ought to be obvious to all sentient beings, why bother. And that's without all his previous outrages against humankind.
Therefore anyone who pretends not to know what was wrong with what Blunkett recently said is as much of a cunt as he is.
Simple.
Red Jezza said:
1 You just repeatedly come out with standard liberal leftie wank.
2 Complete bollocks. If you had any idea of Socialism you would argue for more money for education for all not just a privellged minority like H/E students.( And NL have massivelly increased funding for Schools)
3 A lot of White incomers move to Inner London after Uni,Push up House prices and Rents. Thats the price of them wanting to live in a more cosmopolitan area etc.
4 According to you and other reactionary twats.
5 No never buy it, would never give a penny to Murdoch if i could help it.
Streathamite
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so pray do us the honour of refuting it, point by point with your usual forensic geniustbaldwin said:
what makes you think I DO)N'T want that? and are you seriously suggesting that NO w/c kids ever get to uni? and there's me thinking I was one! And can you think of a better way of getting more w/c kids into tertiary education than student grants? i can't.
And also are you seriously suggesting that taking more money from the nation's top 10% salary bracket to fund grants for w/c kids is NOT socialism? I*f so - you're wrong, dead wrong
yes? your point being? and where's the proof it's been well spent?
err...no I moved to london to go to college.
A huge move it was too.
All of 20 miles.
And what the FUCK has that to do with anything?
what the FUCK has opposing asbos, the 2000 Terrorism act, and his 'crackdowns' on asylum seekers got to do with being 'reactionary' ? if you support those, you are certainly reactionary, by ANY definition of the phrase.
I am afraid Belboid has just described you perfectly; and I spent long enough in the LP to know just how far to the right it's gone.
Streathamite
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on the evidence of this thread, it'd be hard for it to not do so.
Streathamite
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ahhh one thing I forgot. blunkett's biggest legacy; He introduced and planned the ID card legislation.
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edit;@tbalwdwin
so if the anti-blunkett argument - as has been laid out, with clear reasons and facts to back it up - is such damn 'childish waffle', then it should be easy for a man of your olympian intellect to rebut it. And I'd've thought you'd want to do it, if you have the courage of your convictions.
go on then, refute away....
<watches tumbleweed drift past>
so if the anti-blunkett argument - as has been laid out, with clear reasons and facts to back it up - is such damn 'childish waffle', then it should be easy for a man of your olympian intellect to rebut it. And I'd've thought you'd want to do it, if you have the courage of your convictions.
go on then, refute away....
<watches tumbleweed drift past>
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except belboid ain't and neither am I. we've produced solid, empirical argument against blunkett. You haven't. In fact the pitifully few genuine points you've put forward have been demolished, and you've resorted to (dismal) insults.tbaldwin said:
Like in your last post - utterly, utterly pathetic.
I'm getting the strong feeling you're too dim to see how foolish you look right now!
Quite frankly, as an ex-branch secretary and LP council candidate, i'm embarrassed to think I was ever in the same party as you; is it only 14-year old imbeciles left in now that everyone with any principles has left?
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