Kanda
Diving wanker
I don't suppose anyone recorded "Kids, Knives and Broken Lives" ?
I was supposed to for someone.
I might be able to get a copy of it. I'll get back to you.
Bloody hell - Telly tonight 'Knives n Gangs'
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I might be able to get a copy of it. I'll get back to you.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
I saw a programme on this a few months back which also focussed on Glasgow (as well as London), and they've had these sorts of problems since the 1960s - which doesn't bode much hope for things changing here soon now that this idiocy has gotten underway and entrenched. 
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
I felt the impression may have been given that those idiots were dangerous in the sense of being crafty, scheming tactical geniuses, strategic thinkers with armed souls, a penetrating understanding of human nature and a ruthless ability to manipulate and destroy their fellow beings.
I just wanted to clarify that this was not the case, that they are in fact dangerous because they have the combined IQ of the boilding point of nitrogen and embarresingly blatant phallus-complexes and are yet somehow able to procure firearms, and may even be able to work out how to load them.
I share the concerns of the programme makers and the doctor in charge of the A & E department who presumably instigated the programmes. However now that this saturation coverage of the issue has been on television, and including the apparent viewpoint of the knife and gun carriers themselves I suspect that other kids of the same age range will identify with them and be emboldened to imitate or even try to outdo them.
I also wonder if behind the illiterate sounding language there is an element of self-parody with some of the contributers being quite intelligent really. They have had their moment of fame or infamy on television and will have played up to the cameras.
Maybe though, the fact that they have been on television as bad boys will earn them some so called 'respect' so that they need to be less threatening to others.
I also wonder if behind the illiterate sounding language there is an element of self-parody with some of the contributers being quite intelligent really. They have had their moment of fame or infamy on television and will have played up to the cameras.
Maybe though, the fact that they have been on television as bad boys will earn them some so called 'respect' so that they need to be less threatening to others.
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
Only yesterday I was talking to a Karate teacher in one of the schools in Tooting, and he told me how a gang of teenage boys spotted the little children and him having a lesson through the gates (they do it outdoors on the school field, sometimes) one evening.
They all started shouting at him that they were going to come in and beat them all up. In Mr. Myiagi fashion he just walked up to the gates and told them:
"You're quite welcome to join us if you want to learn how to avoid fighting"
He said that after that they became friendly and they had a proper converstation.
These teenage boys have so much energy and nothing to do with it... Perhaps the best way dealing with crime is to get them all to do martial arts, or play football, learn music - funded by the council: FREE. It'll save a lot of money in the long run.
Iguana
Well-Known Member
I live in Tottenham at the moment and the council here provides plenty of sport and social initiatives for kids and teenagers. Yet Tottenham has huge anti-social problems.
DRINK?
bummed by karmachameleon
Why is it everytime we see these programs, there is always a section which involves a smartly dressed man 'giving these kids a chance to break free' in a reccording studio to be a rap artist?
Do they all think they are the next Puff Daddy or Timberland? What kind of deluded dream is that? Its the hardest industry in the world to get into. Talk about narrowing down your options.
What about going to the job centre? Even at times like these people are still employing. What about starting an apprenticeship as a tradesman?
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Why is it everytime we see these programs, there is always a section which involves a smartly dressed man 'giving these kids a chance to break free' in a reccording studio to be a rap artist?
Do they all think they are the next Puff Daddy or Timberland? What kind of deluded dream is that? Its the hardest industry in the world to get into. Talk about narrowing down your options.
What about going to the job centre? Even at times like these people are still employing. What about starting an apprenticeship as a tradesman?
You just don't understand how hard it is in da getto, if you can't be a succesful rapper or get a gun you're nothing init. May as well be dead then not have respec or have a gun or all the stuff successful rappers have, init.
Treacle Toes
Time
Some videos available here http://www.channel4.com/news/microsites/D/disarming_britain/index.html for those who missed the programmes already shown.
Number 5 onwards on the video shorts player particularly interesting.
Number 5 onwards on the video shorts player particularly interesting.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Why is it everytime we see these programs, there is always a section which involves a smartly dressed man 'giving these kids a chance to break free' in a reccording studio to be a rap artist?
Do they all think they are the next Puff Daddy or Timberland? What kind of deluded dream is that? Its the hardest industry in the world to get into. Talk about narrowing down your options.
What about going to the job centre? Even at times like these people are still employing. What about starting an apprenticeship as a tradesman?
That's definately something they should be pushing for, instead of high grades and a university education- you get the sense that if you can't get through uni(or even school) you will never amount to anything, you're fucked. Also i actually watched knives, guns and broken lives last night and one of the yoofs was saying that part of the problem is all this crap on the tv- x factor and the like, mtv, gangsters on tv- suggesting that everyone can be a star "everyone has star quality" and their behaviour was basically a way avoiding the dull reality that you probably won't be a star and you have to get a job, place to live..etc. Suprisingly insightful, more so than I was expecting from that show anyway!
mauvais
on reddit or something
21.50 - CELEBRITY DANCING WITH KNIVES ON ICE CELEBRITY
In tonight's dullard dance off, some Big Brother chump prances around trying to stab off Jodie Marsh's impossible tits with a Stanley knife. Amy Winehouse gives up trying to perfect her toe step sequences and slashes her wrists.
Terry Nutkins.
23.15 - THIS IS YOUR KNIFE
Dramedy in which we identify a celebrity whose media value could be improved with a lengthy spell inside, and have them go out into the street and slash up ordinary folk for money. In this week's episode an overview of Chesney Hawkes' lifetime achievements earns little sympathy as he is handed a spoon and kicked out of a moving car in the midst of a gang war.
Contains extreme violence, some scenes of one hit wonder.
00.40 - HOLBY CITY KNIFE SPECIAL
Desperately lacking NHS funding, the surgeons replace all the patients' limbs with rusty blades and have them fight it out. Will this novel approach reduce transplant waiting times, or will it all be amicably concluded as these hackneyed examples of society's dysfunctional ills realise the errors of their ways and vow to free themselves from the fruitless emancipation of their destructive lives? John Leslie makes a cameo appearance as a rapier.
Tallscreen.
In tonight's dullard dance off, some Big Brother chump prances around trying to stab off Jodie Marsh's impossible tits with a Stanley knife. Amy Winehouse gives up trying to perfect her toe step sequences and slashes her wrists.
Terry Nutkins.
23.15 - THIS IS YOUR KNIFE
Dramedy in which we identify a celebrity whose media value could be improved with a lengthy spell inside, and have them go out into the street and slash up ordinary folk for money. In this week's episode an overview of Chesney Hawkes' lifetime achievements earns little sympathy as he is handed a spoon and kicked out of a moving car in the midst of a gang war.
Contains extreme violence, some scenes of one hit wonder.
00.40 - HOLBY CITY KNIFE SPECIAL
Desperately lacking NHS funding, the surgeons replace all the patients' limbs with rusty blades and have them fight it out. Will this novel approach reduce transplant waiting times, or will it all be amicably concluded as these hackneyed examples of society's dysfunctional ills realise the errors of their ways and vow to free themselves from the fruitless emancipation of their destructive lives? John Leslie makes a cameo appearance as a rapier.
Tallscreen.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
I think thats one of the ideas behind the govs pushing of the cadets not so much to boost recruitment more about getting youth to interact adults who aren't teachers or parents in a disciplined environment.
Just trying to get boys to grow up a bit it will work for some just getting them out of the "harshness of the ghetto
" and doing something anything would
Just trying to get boys to grow up a bit it will work for some just getting them out of the "harshness of the ghetto
" and doing something anything would
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
:-(
magneze
🎧
Has it always provided these facilities? Is it possible that the provision of them is a reaction to the anti-social problems? Just wondering ...
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
Why is it everytime we see these programs, there is always a section which involves a smartly dressed man 'giving these kids a chance to break free' in a reccording studio to be a rap artist?
Do they all think they are the next Puff Daddy or Timberland? What kind of deluded dream is that? Its the hardest industry in the world to get into. Talk about narrowing down your options.
What about going to the job centre? Even at times like these people are still employing. What about starting an apprenticeship as a tradesman?
I've been involved in music workshops for highly volatile kids who have been excluded from school, and my missus trains girls from bad backgrounds to be carers.
Yes, the boys do want to be the next Dizzee Rascal.
Without fail, when they pen their own lyrics its about shooting and stabbing people who disrespect their values.
Kids argue, sure, but in that situation you can expect a simple double-booking of studio time to become a matter of pride involving armed gangs of kids.
Had a good time though, they all did a show at the end in a huge theatre, lots of ambitions fulfilled.
A week later the workshop was robbed of everything.
I think the worst thing is that the normal well behaved kids dont get these opportunities.
Sends out a clear message, act like a cunt and get free studio time.
If it were the other way around, and kids were rewarded for being decent to each other, the incentives would be there.
Fucked up all round really.
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
I think thats one of the ideas behind the govs pushing of the cadets not so much to boost recruitment more about getting youth to interact adults who aren't teachers or parents in a disciplined environment.
Just trying to get boys to grow up a bit it will work for some just getting them out of the "harshness of the ghetto
For many of them, shipping them off to Darfur and training them to be peacekeepers would be the making of them. It would put pissy rows about postcodes and Playstations into perspective.
Probably not a popular idea here, but we are WAY too soft on them and they know it.. Which is why they run riot.
They NEED guidance and discipline, the parents are usually shit and the teachers powerless.. even the cops cant do a thing.
baldrick
hmmmmm
I thought quite a few of the lads on that programme had something thought provoking to say. That knife/gun amnesties don't work, that legalising drugs would take a lot of weapons off the street, that it takes a community to solve the problem, not the government.
Not the twats with guns though, they could barely get a coherent sentence out. scary though that people with so little brain power were in charge of lethal weapons.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
I'm glad you said that, was beginning to feel like the lone rightwing maniac in the wilderness who everyone tries to ignore.
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
Naaa, let's not.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Indeed. A better idea would just be to invite a few units of the Chinese Army onto the streets of south London and see the cowardly "big hardmen of the ghetto" shit their pants at the sight of some real firepower. They wouldn't even have the bravery of that guy who stood in front of one of their tanks in Tiannenmen Square.
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gaslit at scale.
pinkmonkey
2.4 hour party person
I agree we're way too soft on our kids. I can think of three African families locally who have sent their teenagers home to Africa to be educated. They all said there's too much freedom and not enough discipline here.
Also, these kids who behave like this, have you met any? Do you know any? I know a (only just) 15 yo who is left on his own without food of money up to 10 days at a time. The parents don't even care enough to attend court with him when he is charged with assault. The social services do nothing. The kid learns to not give a f*ck about himself either.
Also, these kids who behave like this, have you met any? Do you know any? I know a (only just) 15 yo who is left on his own without food of money up to 10 days at a time. The parents don't even care enough to attend court with him when he is charged with assault. The social services do nothing. The kid learns to not give a f*ck about himself either.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Why's that?
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
I know there was one sitting on some steps and I could only make out every tenth word he said. And the word was innit. And sometimes 'you get me?'. So I was lucky because these are among my favourite words and phrases.
I kept fading in and out of the programme though so i missed bits.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Rightwing maniacs want to legalise drugs?
Is this some quickfire urbanite humour i am missing, I am right slow on the uptake.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Not the drugs bit, the gun-totters bit.
Those kids make me feel like a rightwing maniac the other night, I was more or less reduced to bashing the arm of my sofa and barking "What we Need is Fascism!" at the screen, not the neo-nazi kind or anything, just some regime that's all about discipline and uniforms and marching in precise regimented formations and unquestioning obedience to iron-fisted authority, that sort of thing.
I was only joking though, I think Stalinism would work much better. Leftwing maniac then.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
[conspiracy theory mode] Maybe at the end of the day it's all about this[/conspiracy theory mode]
Maybe it's all part of the downward spiral to old age and Daily Mail readership.
A big gang of hoody-muzzy-weegy-neddy knive-waving football thugs just kicked the shit out of my old neighbour.
Please let the state save us!
Maybe it's all part of the downward spiral to old age and Daily Mail readership.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
I'm just (un)happy to sit back and say OHMYGODWHATCANWEDOIDON'TKNOWWHATTODO. Global warming anyone? I certainly am less arsed about big carbon footprints than some other things(i know that's not helpfull it's just how i feel sometimes)
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