blatent muggery: ticket inspectors at Liverpool St station
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Cid
Proper break this time
It's entirely your own fault though... quite apart from that you still have to swipe your oyster card at the start of your journey (or it isn't valid) and even the little readers give error beeps. They stop thousands of fair dodgers every day, it isn't their job to be sympathetic. I presume you know for a fact this is why everyone is stopped as well?
Just who the fuck do you think you are, prick.
I'll stay here as long as I fucking like. And I'll post what I fucking like. If the mods don't like it they can deal with it ... but a cunt like you? Fuck right off. I'd suggest you have a fucking superiority complex if you weren't so fucking thick. Superiority simple maybe ...
untethered
For industry & decency
Good one, though personally I'd prefer you to tone down your gratuitous profanity.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
you are the one dibble, moaning about the state of the boards love and if you don't like it you know what you can do ...
miserable drame queen that you are though you need your vitrolic vaildiation in order to feel better about yourself so I'm guessing you haven't actually got the balls to walk away from that kind of attention seeker gratifaction yuou get from the flame wars you post...
PacificOcean
Unhinged User
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
Trick is to memorise an unmanned station you know only has a machine.
Keep your oystercard hidden. And never travel without money to pay the fare.
If you do get caught and they slap a penalty fare on you, don't lie about your name and addy, they check. But never, ever, ever sign the thing, or you're legally bound.
All they want is a signature, refuse to sign on the grounds that you disagree with the penalty, and that you will discuss it with your solicitor.
Without the signature they probably won't follow it up, and if they do it will cost them more than you'll pay.
As for the showing ticket late and still getting fined - thats total bollocks.
I used to do it loads, when I knew some of my mates had no ticket I'd take up the inspector's time until we reached our stop and bail out.
Keep your oystercard hidden. And never travel without money to pay the fare.
If you do get caught and they slap a penalty fare on you, don't lie about your name and addy, they check. But never, ever, ever sign the thing, or you're legally bound.
All they want is a signature, refuse to sign on the grounds that you disagree with the penalty, and that you will discuss it with your solicitor.
Without the signature they probably won't follow it up, and if they do it will cost them more than you'll pay.
As for the showing ticket late and still getting fined - thats total bollocks.
I used to do it loads, when I knew some of my mates had no ticket I'd take up the inspector's time until we reached our stop and bail out.
No it's not, it's a calculated decision. If the fine was GBP 200,000:00 - or a headshot, people would remember.
A calculated decision based upon your risk assessment.
Twenty quid? Whatever!
Headshot? I'm not gettin' on without a ticket!
Society just tries to keep the wheels turning and to ensure that the balance of penalty ensures that enough people are bothered to try to get to work every day.
It's the free market(ish), don'tcha know?
Woof
teuchter
je suis teuchter
No, you don't have to swipe your card at the beginning of the journey if you have a travelcard. In fact you can't, at the stations journeys from which give rise to this problem, because they don't have oyster readers. Hence, you have no way of knowing that your card has expired, unless you happen to have remembered the date, a month ago, that you renewed it. You can't tell from looking at a piece of blue plastic when it is going to expire.
Even if you get a bus to the train station, it is likely that you will not realise it has expired, because when you swipe it on entry to the bus, it lets you on, but unbeknownst to you, by making a deduction from your PAYG credit rather than due to your having a valid travelcard. Thus reinforcing your genuine belief that you have an unexpired travelcard.
It is worth mentioning that the reason there is no Oyster swipe at many train stations is that the train companies have failed to get their act together to install the system. And then those same train companies are fining people for a genuine mistake, caused in part my their failure to take part in the Oyster system that TfL has been pressurising us all to take part in.
It is debatable whether the ticket inspectors' job is to be sympathetic. I would suggest it is their job to use their discretion and to be reasonable. Fining people for something which is easily demonstrable as a genuine mistake, and which could be dealt with otherwise (by charging a single fare for the journey) does not seem reasonable to me.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
You fail to take into account that the journeys we are talking about end at terminii with ticket barriers.
It would be different if the ticket inspectors we were talking about were based at stations without barriers. Then, there is a much higher likelihood that someone showing up without a valid ticket has done so intentionally, and in that case the potential of a fine has a useful function as a deterrent.
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
The thing one must bear in mind when dealing with the "yellow beret" is this:
They are thick as shit, they prefer to bully kids and lone women, and they try to impose unlawful and unenforceable fines.
If you sign on the dotted line you admit fraud, basically.
Don't let them.
Be assertive, look them in the eye, tell them "I'm only doing my job sir", reverse the tables on them.
They don't have the capacity to out-think assertion. Prepare a stock answer for them for every trip.
Make it pleasant and polite though.
Never fall into their trap and punch them in the head, this is what they want.
All you need to do is make them think you're a special case.
Don't protest, take them aside and argue your case quietly and out of earshot of other passengers, if you can.
If you get more than one then pick the most authoritative, and make your case to him. Maintain eye contact with him but don't undermine the authority of his minions.
Use the Shaolin Bhudda Finger if all else fails.
They are thick as shit, they prefer to bully kids and lone women, and they try to impose unlawful and unenforceable fines.
If you sign on the dotted line you admit fraud, basically.
Don't let them.
Be assertive, look them in the eye, tell them "I'm only doing my job sir", reverse the tables on them.
They don't have the capacity to out-think assertion. Prepare a stock answer for them for every trip.
Make it pleasant and polite though.
Never fall into their trap and punch them in the head, this is what they want.
All you need to do is make them think you're a special case.
Don't protest, take them aside and argue your case quietly and out of earshot of other passengers, if you can.
If you get more than one then pick the most authoritative, and make your case to him. Maintain eye contact with him but don't undermine the authority of his minions.
Use the Shaolin Bhudda Finger if all else fails.
always good to have you remind us that the old bill arent really a bunch of aggresive, hysterical lunatics db
I'd like to say that it's always good to have you remind us how many total cunts post total bollocks here ... but sadly you're not necessary ...
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
I'd like to say that it's always good to have you remind us how many total cunts post total bollocks here ... but sadly you're not necessary ...
That'll be just one so far - and he wears a tit on his head.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
So basically this is a thread about how the ticket inspector types blat people on the days when most people are likely to try and get through the barriers without a ticket, i.e. Monday morning.
It's like, such a consiparacy man, it's almost as if they might be attmepting to meet some kind of target, or have worked out that there will be lots of people without tickets. Of course, their names - revenue protection officers - might give you an idea of what they're about. Sorry, but if you're a regular commuter you know when to get your fucking tcard replaced...
It's like, such a consiparacy man, it's almost as if they might be attmepting to meet some kind of target, or have worked out that there will be lots of people without tickets. Of course, their names - revenue protection officers - might give you an idea of what they're about. Sorry, but if you're a regular commuter you know when to get your fucking tcard replaced...
teuchter
je suis teuchter
They shouldn't be "attempting to meet some kind of target", they should be concentrating on catching intentional fare evaders. They do not protect any revenue by fining those who have forgotten to renew monthly travelcards.
As a matter of interest, do you have a monthly travelcard and if so how do you remember the date you have to renew it?
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
didn't have barriers there the last time i was there, earlier in the year - do have oyster readers though
i bought a 1-2 zone monthly travel card today, for the first time in about 6 years, i've been working fairly close to home since 2002 - £93 fucking quid
i'm sure it was about £60 last time i bought one
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
if it's an oyster one, it starts reminding you a few days ahead - old card ones don't remind you, they are being phased out now - you can't get them on the underground any more, just mainline stations afaik
I'm an intentional fare evader, they should be sticking to commuters if they know whats good for emkyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
When I used to have a monthly tcard I would visit the newsagents/station at least 2 days before it expired (you can have date-set tcards on Oyster as well as card ones up to 2 days before they start) and make fucking sure of it. Plus I've never had issues remembering to do something once a month.
And quite clearly they are protecting revenue, because there are all these people attempting to get a day's free travel on the basis of having 'forgotten' to top up/buy their new tcards...
maximilian ping
Grrrrr
you're wrong on this one DB. if i was fare evading why the bollocks would i go up to a ticket inspector with some excuse? fare evaders AVOID paying their fare, they don't make it obvious they can't pay their fare.
muggery? for the reason that these people are being fined £20 despite having virtual proof they were not fare evading (monthly oyster card just expired) AND the fact they were not 'caught' trying to sneak out a side exit, they have gone up to the insepctors saying 'what shall i do?'
it's a scam i tell ya
and for those 'just make sure you renew you card' posse - maybe next time you get kicked about by cops at a demo - just make sure you don't go on a the demo next time. simple
maximilian ping
Grrrrr
jesus wept. why are they trying to get a day's free travel? all they want to do is have a window where you can buy a new monthly pass
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
These guys aren't after fare evaders tho - as I pointed out, they're revenue protection officers, not ticket officers (who will happily sell you another ticket) and they are out there protecting that revenue.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
It's not just people who travel without a ticket that get fined: if the oyster PAYG system does anything abnormal (you touch in and out etc but for some reason doesn't show up correctly) you STILL get fined and the onus then falls to you to faff around trying to appeal it - even though THEIR system fucked up.
And yes - these Revenue officers have a worse attitude than coppers, imo. They seem to take a distateful please in reducing peopel to a state of frustrated tears.
And yes - these Revenue officers have a worse attitude than coppers, imo. They seem to take a distateful please in reducing peopel to a state of frustrated tears.
maximilian ping
Grrrrr
exactly, and it's a scam
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
It';s also interesting to watch who they target (people who clearly look easy to bully) and who they, mysteriously, seem unable to see.
Bet the Revenue Officers are considered heroes by the cod left, too.
Bet the Revenue Officers are considered heroes by the cod left, too.
