Blair's legacy
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DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Didn't know there were nulabour types still in the real world.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
What they lack in numbers they make up for in arrogance, stupidity and lack of self-awareness.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Education spending did pretty much stay the same as a proportion of GDP - 5%, give or take half a percent.
In actual cash terms, spending doubled, not tripled.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
According this spending on education increased 5.1% per year from 1999-2000 and 2009-2010 in real terms. That makes the overall increase in these years is a factor of 1.051^10=1.64. If we assume something similar for the previous two years we're in the region of a factor of 1.8. I think that source is pretty respectable. To say that education spending doubled would be an exageration, to say that it tripled is an outright lie.
By the way if you don't want to set off my bullshit detector:
1) Say something like "almost tripled". Any calculation you have made will include some rounding, it's not going to pop out as a nice round factor of three. It looks like you have plucked the figure from thin air.
2) Don't make your lies ridiculous. Tripled, now come on.
By the way if you don't want to set off my bullshit detector:
1) Say something like "almost tripled". Any calculation you have made will include some rounding, it's not going to pop out as a nice round factor of three. It looks like you have plucked the figure from thin air.
2) Don't make your lies ridiculous. Tripled, now come on.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
when they're found they're hunted down as vermin and their hides used for the seats in bentleys and rolls royces
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
mankymarrk's
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I'm intensely relaxed about that.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
Actually, they pretty much all already have.
Look at his posting history. Out and out troll. Not even a consistent one.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
Look at that graph, it would appear something really quite dramatic happened between the end of the 1930s and the mid-1940s.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
But as to MM's claim, the truth is an increase in education spend from 4.4% GDP in 1997 to 5.8% in 2010. An increase, (that was essential after the chronic vermin underfunding), but a truer figure than any claims of doubling or tripling.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Tripleplusgood
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Similar with unemployment figures, huge reduction in the 30s. The only thing I've seen that explains it (I'm no economist though) was that Britain came off the gold standard in 1931.
The pound had been overvalued and the government also apparently adopted protectionist economic measures. These which led to a mini boom particularly in South East and money was put into depressed areas.
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Part of Blair's legacy is Jeremy Corbyn. I would be hard to argue that one didn't lead to the other. I oversimplify but not by much.
You may be right. Sadly the record will just say that the Tories introduced gay marriage, as if it would have happened without the incremental changes under the previous Labour government. ....
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I don't follow that at all. After 10 years of following Blairism, first with Brown and then Milliband jnr, Labour has turned in a different direction, a direction that is far more like pre-Blair. Blair's legacy was those 10 years of non-Corbyn, surely, and at least 15 years of neo-Blair government, whether in the form of Brown or Cameron.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Part of Blair's legacy is that Corbyn can now be portrayed by his opponents as a dangerously radical socialist, whereas most of what he's proposing would have been regarded pre-Blair as mainstream Labour social-democracy
(I'm sure people can find exceptions, but they don't detract from the general point)
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
His domestic legacy is the widespread extension of existing levels of commercialisation or newly introduced commodification into social reproduction, of pure capitalist imperatives into what were still by and large merit goods or services - that is health, education etc, the things required to reproduce us materially - though the intention was always wider that that (see Thatcher may day '81 "Economics are the method: the object is to change the soul." Or stalinist "engineers of human souls"). What this means is that there are now fewer safer(r) spaces within capitalism, everyone now, whether in classic work or not, has now been made to feel the full weight of their nature i.e people are naturally competitive capitalists we must remove unnatural protections. Of course what they were doing was seeking to produce a nature not free it. And i think they've been pretty successful given these competitive assumptions now seem to be the start point of political debate and social organising.
Of course it's dangerous to individualise this down to blair given that state/capital across the world (or the comparable states anyway) reacted in a similar way to the pressures they facing, but the forms and areas that the attacks came from were i think largely determined by Blair's character. I.e he really saw the lack of businesses involvement in education as a moral failing, as an ethical failing, as a betrayl rather than a technical decision made based on the need to allocate resources efficiently or any other economic magic potion.
Of course it's dangerous to individualise this down to blair given that state/capital across the world (or the comparable states anyway) reacted in a similar way to the pressures they facing, but the forms and areas that the attacks came from were i think largely determined by Blair's character. I.e he really saw the lack of businesses involvement in education as a moral failing, as an ethical failing, as a betrayl rather than a technical decision made based on the need to allocate resources efficiently or any other economic magic potion.
Flanflinger
Well-Known Member
Well Corbyn should turn that around.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You haven't explained anything.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Then you're a fool, unless and until you inform yourself where the spending goes.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Like any fucker here besides Markymarrk actually give a shit about being called a "fucking cunt". It's a badge of honour to get cunted off on here!!!
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
MM is a purveyor of empty signs.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Bower is an excellent biographer (I own most of his books). Of course he criticises Blair to a greater extent - and more effectively - than Blair's authorised hagiographers.
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