nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Sings "Sittin' in the dock at the Hague"...
Blair's legacy
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There was a time when I was naive enough to cling on to the slightest glimmer of hope. Nah!
Apart from the fact that they were spending three times as much as was previously spent, you have a point.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Tell me something: are you working for the Office of Tony Blair? They must be paying you pretty good money to keep producing this dreck ad infinitum et ad nauseum.
Zabo
Well-Known Member
He taught people that you can pretend to be a Labour politician while amassing vast amounts of personal wealth. He taught young kids that his little dalliance with Oasis and pop celebrity was all about exploitation. He was singly responsible for more people studying the philosophy of cynicism than at any other time in history. He taught how to kill with impunity.
The sooner the fucker crawls away and dies of some really painful disease the happier I and many more shall be.
The sooner the fucker crawls away and dies of some really painful disease the happier I and many more shall be.
NoXion
his soul is marching on
Simply stating that three time as much money was spent on education is a meaningless without an examination of precisely what that money was actually spent on.
Meaningless apart from the part that says 'three times as much was spent on education', which is true.
NoXion
his soul is marching on
It may be true, but what does it actually mean in terms of improving education? If the extra money was spent on gold-plated toilet seats for the headteachers, then you can hardly say that represents a step forward in teaching quality. That's why without looking at exactly where the money goes the statement is meaningless.
This is what the Tories say, while saying they can make education, transport and health better while cutting funding because it's what it's spent on that is important.
The far left want to claim it's all about money, but then when someone they don't like provides money, it's not about money any more.
I made no claim apart from education spending had tripled, and it had. It was a brief aside in a thread that I intended to be about Broken Vows- itself a book I find astonishing even as someone who admired what Blair did.
NoXion
his soul is marching on
Nobody mentioned anything about cutting education funding apart from you just now. The "far left", unlike you, realise that it's not just about money, but where that money goes that is also important.
That's at least two posts now in which you've failed to acknowledge that. Why?
Because it's largely an irrelevant point. You're arguing with something I posted that is a fact.
NoXion
his soul is marching on
It's not irrelevant. It's entirely possible to increase spending on something without actually improving it. Unless you can show how the increased spending genuinely improved things, wittering on about tripling of spending is meaningless.
Blair's legacy is the current Tory government. His was a precursor to Tory and Con/Dem government. Throwing money away on PFI does not amount to increased investment. It is a deferred mortgage that grants ownership of public property to privateers.
I've already agreed it's meaningless, apart from the part about it being a tripling of spending on education.
It's fine. I think that's a good thing. You would prefer education spending to remain where it was.
NoXion
his soul is marching on
If it's meaningless, why bring it up? How can it be a good thing in of itself?
Where did I say that? Kindly refrain from putting words in my mouth, you fucking cunt.
I would have preferred education spending to go where it originally did go than to private investment companies.
You can spend three times as much on many consumer items without getting triple the value for money.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Interesting standard of debate when implications of what is being claimed are explained carefully.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No, it's a monstrous lie.
NoXion
his soul is marching on
So it would appear.
I agree with this to a certain extent. I don't know all the details. I still think it's a good thing that spending increased.
NoXion
his soul is marching on
You've got no place blithering about standards of debate when you deliberately excise the rest of my post so you can whine instead of addressing my points.
I won't be leaving you in charge of my wallet then.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
PFI was a great idea, it's really helped the NHS ...
... oh wait.
... oh wait.
Do you have many people continue to debate with you when you call them a 'fucking cunt'?
Didn't think so. Ignore you go.
NoXion
his soul is marching on
You might as well put the rest of the forum on ignore, because if you continue with your dishonest debating tactics then they will call you a cunt. You fucking cunt.
Pleasant way to avoid debate.
Fat chance of talking about a book that actually criticises Tony Blair more effectively than anything else I've read.
Fat chance of talking about a book that actually criticises Tony Blair more effectively than anything else I've read.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That probably says more about the breadth of your reading rather than anything else,
xslavearcx
time for a nu-metal revival?
it was his lot that brought in esa which was set up to get 1000000 people off the sick iirc.
they also brought the term hard working families into being
they also brought the term hard working families into being
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