parallelepipete
Aelod cysylltiol y Taliban Cymraeg
Indeed, there is plenty of fiction at the heart of Blair's decision-making...newharper said:Crucifiction's too good for him
Blair prayed to God over Iraq
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Mr Blair told show host Michael Parkinson: "In the end, there is a judgement that, I think if you have faith about these things, you realise that judgement is made by other people... and if you believe in God, it's made by God as well."
"When you're faced with a decision like that, some of those decisions have been very, very difficult, most of all because you know these are people's lives and, in some case, their deaths. The only way you can take a decision like that is to do the right thing according to your conscience."
This confirms to me why i feel lucky at never hearing or seeing this lunatic in action. So, he says, you can never blame me coz i always ask God. If i get it wrong, sorry, but blame God, not me. "Judgement is made by other people" and by "God as well". BUT NOT ME, OH NO, DON'T BLAME ME, BLAME OTHERS.
I tell you this snivelling wimpish bullshitting coward makes thatcher look like a man with principles, fortitude, bravery, and big fuck-off bollocks. Blair really is the epitome of nausea. This is quite the sickest thing i've heard in ages, and i have to deal with the vomit that emanates from thailand's very own leader.
"When you're faced with a decision like that, some of those decisions have been very, very difficult, most of all because you know these are people's lives and, in some case, their deaths. The only way you can take a decision like that is to do the right thing according to your conscience."
This confirms to me why i feel lucky at never hearing or seeing this lunatic in action. So, he says, you can never blame me coz i always ask God. If i get it wrong, sorry, but blame God, not me. "Judgement is made by other people" and by "God as well". BUT NOT ME, OH NO, DON'T BLAME ME, BLAME OTHERS.
I tell you this snivelling wimpish bullshitting coward makes thatcher look like a man with principles, fortitude, bravery, and big fuck-off bollocks. Blair really is the epitome of nausea. This is quite the sickest thing i've heard in ages, and i have to deal with the vomit that emanates from thailand's very own leader.
Fuck man, what a wanker. I'd reckon if i saw that on the telly i'd smash the machine up. What a disgraceful person this blair is. Absolutely bonkers he is, and i've said he's insane plenty of times. This really ought to confirm it for other posters.
Conscience he talks of!!! How can anyone stoop lower than this piece of human shit, this piece of human garbage? As if he's got one of them.
Jail or the looney bin is the only appropriate place for this lying faux-religious criminal freak. How on earth did he get elected in again?????
Conscience he talks of!!! How can anyone stoop lower than this piece of human shit, this piece of human garbage? As if he's got one of them.
Jail or the looney bin is the only appropriate place for this lying faux-religious criminal freak. How on earth did he get elected in again?????
Tony Blair is a Knight of Malta in the same way that Bush is a Knight of Eulogia. They`ve both been inducted into death cults.
Blair is also a freemason which means the God he is worshipping is Jahbulon.
The easiest way to think of it is that Blair and Bush are satanists.
Blair is also a freemason which means the God he is worshipping is Jahbulon.
The easiest way to think of it is that Blair and Bush are satanists.
parallelepipete
Aelod cysylltiol y Taliban Cymraeg
Aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrggggghhh!! *Azrael23 said:
* Note the numerological significance of the number of occurrences of each letter - they're all prime numbers. Wooooo
parallelepipete
Aelod cysylltiol y Taliban Cymraeg
You are correct, I don't - though I was brought up a practising Catholic (yes, even on holiday abroad, when we couldn't understand the service!), so I have a fair idea about what I don't like about it. And yes, he did get elected: by 35% of voters - so I don't feel as if he has much of a mandate.rogue yam said:
And no, it's not an outrage IMHO. It just sounds pathetic, especially in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion, now that we know about the falsehoods on which the case was built, and can see the mess that Iraq is now in. Assuming Blair's god really exists, and really does love everyone, then surely he would have been able to convey a somewhat better plan to Blair than 'do what George W. Bush says, we've been discussing Iraq a lot recently'?
TeeJay said:
Fucking shedloads you rude person. Spent my whole life doing it in fact. Giving is a way of life, and a far more enjoyable one than taking, the latter of which blair is a sublime expert.
How do you enjoy being so impolite eh? And furthermore can you in any way whatsoever persuade me you have intelligence after posing such a question to me? Are you getting a wee bit confused between a pseudonym on a website and their character in their every day life?
Tell me, are you as stupid outside of contributing to urban, or do you just do this stupidity on this website?
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
TeeJay said:I saw this on the news as well and I think the story is a load of bullshit. The quotes on the BBC website don't show how he was answering very specific questions about his religious beliefs - they don't include the comments by Parkinson interviewing him. I'd like to see anyone who claims they have moral, ethical or ideological beliefs prove that they are 'objective'. Even if I don't agree with Blair I don't find his political thinking any more deluded than most people on here and it isn't particularly religious either, even if he has personal religious beliefs behind the scenes.
This whole "did you pray" is a load of crap really - he is a christian so if he said he didn't he will be criticised for not holding his beliefs consistently, and if he says he did he will get the kind of comments people have been making here - which is why he first of all said something like "I don't want to get into all that" before saying "yes". He also then talked about his own personal conscience, which implies that even if he does pray, he believes that the way god would communicate with himk is not through some kind of joan-of-arc vision or voice but through his conscience.
Since almost everyone here would say that they have their own conscience and beliefs, I don't see how anyone can claim that this makes Blair bonkers etc. People who believe in "Gaia", the "class stuggle" or any system of ethics are also buying into unprovable and abstract concepts that help them make up their minds about things. This doesn't make any of them bonkers or mentalists.
that needed saying, so well said, Teejay
tangentlama said:
No, i disagree! Teejay's speaking rubbish. Blair is a liar, a killer, a pseudo-religious criminal who will say whatever he thinks wants to be heard. He's also a bloody coward.
He also regularly displays insanity. All this God nonsense, it's just politics interfering with religion. He's just spinning, while at the same time telling everyone he's not responsible for his own criminal actions.
The man has no spine. Not only does he order the deaths of thousands of people, and that based on lies, he then tells everyone not to blame him!! Hey, what we all gonna do if a murderer suddenly announces that God made him do it? Do we let him off? What happens if a paedophile suddenly says that he consulted God before he did it, and that really we should blame God and please can i not go to jail?
Why do we let blair get away with his mass crimes, and then listen to him tell us that he spoke to God first, and therefore we are to blame God for anything that blair may do that is wrong?
The only answer i have is that a streak of insanity lies within us humans. Blair for being blair, and the rest of us for accepting the lying criminal.
[in case nino is reading this, i mean the collective 'us'.]
fela fan said:
I'm gradually getting very worried about your sanity, fela.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
rogue yam said:
Anyone can justify their actions based on a belief in a higher power - Bin Laden does it but how many people would say his actions are justified? If you're going to prescribe views based on God, something for which there can be no real questioning of, then surely you can make a case for anyone's views being the "right ones" as you are unable to prove any of them to be wrong. This is obviously nonsense as it negates the use of reason and logic something human beings have been endowed with the ability to use.
If you choose to think Bin Laden's beliefs in his God and what he 'says' to him are wrong and that Blair and Bush's beliefs are correct then you are essentially saying that you are religious as you are accepting decisions made by one religious system of belief over another. If you dont think they are right in referring part or all of their decision making process to God then you only have one other method of deciding what to do - reason and logic.
You can't choose to claim Bush and Blairs beliefs in God are anymore 'right' than Bin Laden's, as both aren't grounded in any descernable reality.
(this reply is also for Teejay's reply to me from the previous page)
Blair lied to Parliament and to all of us to try to gain support for his and Bush's crucade for oil. We demonstrated in our millions to show that we hadn't been taken in by his lies and that he didn't have our support. He sent the troops and the bombs in anyway.
As a consequence Iraq has been torn apart, probably well over 100,000 Iraqis have been killed, thousands of US troops, 103 UK soldiers - that's a lot of grieving parents. The World is a more unstable and dangerous place.
And now he says what? That God will judge him?! Apart from the religious conviction he appears to have, or to pretend he has, that the crucade is justified and for some greater moral values, the real scandal is that he appears to believe that he is answerable to a higher being. In fact he is answerable to - and can and should be judged by - the people whose lives he has ruined, and in whose names he has fought this criminal war.
It is not for God to judge you Blair. You are a war criminal and a liar. You are exposed. You deserve to go to jail. If by the grace of any diety you also face eternity in damnation that, well it is no more than you deserve.
As a consequence Iraq has been torn apart, probably well over 100,000 Iraqis have been killed, thousands of US troops, 103 UK soldiers - that's a lot of grieving parents. The World is a more unstable and dangerous place.
And now he says what? That God will judge him?! Apart from the religious conviction he appears to have, or to pretend he has, that the crucade is justified and for some greater moral values, the real scandal is that he appears to believe that he is answerable to a higher being. In fact he is answerable to - and can and should be judged by - the people whose lives he has ruined, and in whose names he has fought this criminal war.
It is not for God to judge you Blair. You are a war criminal and a liar. You are exposed. You deserve to go to jail. If by the grace of any diety you also face eternity in damnation that, well it is no more than you deserve.
I think what he is saying is that 'history' will have to judge whether he had made the right decision. Perhaps it's a way of saying: Don't ask me to admit I was wrong.fela fan said:
He's essentially playing his 'honest Tony' card again. He is trying to create the impression that he didn't rush into the war, that he didn't invade Iraq for self-centred reasons, and that he made 'an honest assessment' of the situation at the time.fela fan said:
Like I said, he's an actor.Wikipedia said:
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
rogue yam said:
You miss the point spectacularly. This sort of thing might have been impressive in the Middle Ages, where kings had to style themselves as the most pious people in the land because they were seen as "His representative on earth". I'd like to think that we've grown up a bit....but that isn't the case - is it?
Lock&Light said:I'm gradually getting very worried about your sanity, fela.
That's very good of you mate, but really, no need. If blair is sane, then i am insane, but that is no problem for me. I enjoy my life mate. Whether i'm sane or not is irrelevant after that default. All i know is that i'm not the same as blair. Thank God... whoops, well, er, thank buddha.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Azrael23 said:
Blair isn't a Freemason, unless he belongs to a Scottish or foreign lodge.
So, Freemasons are Satanists, are they?
You poor bastard.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Loki said:
You're probably right, at that. Only arrogance or certitude of a particularly spectacular degree can allow a person to believe the rightness of their position in the face of facts such as Blair was faced with.
Welcome back, by the way.
TAE said:Erm, to be fair, where does he claim that he is not answerable to the people?
Not that his claims make much difference to reality ...
You might think my statement was unreasonable but well, that's perhaps for other people, and for God to judge, I simply write what I believe in my conscience to be right.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Kind of. I think what he's saying to himself primarily - but now also to the world via this interview - is that he won't allow himself to be judged (1) now, and (2) by the masses; in the fullness of time both God and History will understand his actions.Groucho said:
It's the coping mechanism of the human psyche, init. Switch off or justify it by any route you like, no matter how tenuous.
I suppose it might be an interesting case study for a psychology student looking at how humans react and cope.
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