Blackwood man faces terrorism charges

[1927]

Thats a load of total bullshit-BNPers tend to be total rightwing morons and english nationalists thered be no way theyd gravitate to Plaid Cymru

Portraying all BNPers as right wing morons would suggest you are missing the point. There are many dissaffected voters, who are not right wing morons, who are considering voting BNP. From my experiences I know of a few people who, if no BNP candidate was available, are voting Plaid because they see that its a party that does atleast stick up for Wales.

If you seriously think that all BNPers are right wing morons your position is not disimlar to the stance of the 3 main parties who are unwilling to tackle the issues that make the BNP popular for that very reason.

 

[lewislewis]

Portraying all BNPers as right wing morons would suggest you are missing the point. There are many dissaffected voters, who are not right wing morons, who are considering voting BNP. From my experiences I know of a few people who, if no BNP candidate was available, are voting Plaid because they see that its a party that does atleast stick up for Wales.

If you seriously think that all BNPers are right wing morons your position is not disimlar to the stance of the 3 main parties who are unwilling to tackle the issues that make the BNP popular for that very reason.

I don't know any such people (BNPers who would vote Plaid) but i'm willing to accept they exist.

That said, Plaid is known for being "soft" and "politically correct" on immigration (different to in-migration), so I suppose it would depend what "kind" of BNP voter they are. If they are the kind that is xenophobic in a British sense and wants the Union Jack plastered all over the place i'm not sure they'd be disposed to vote for what they see as separatism. But if they're the kind who dislike the political establishment and put that as a priority ahead of their racism, then they might cast a vote for Plaid. I think there are too many variables for the numbers of these people to be significant.

Welsh nationalism also crowds out British nationalism, the two can't really co-exist in the mind of the same voter, not in terms of Plaid politics anyway. That's why the BNP in Wales identified Plaid as their main obstacle to getting anywhere. You'll also find that compared to the other mainstream parties, Plaid activists are in my experience more likely to commit to anti-fascism, particularly anti-BNP activity, because they oppose the whole idea of Britishness. And as much as I am reluctant to admit it that opposition to Britishness is the main reason we won't hold power in Wales in the near future except as part of a coalition with other forces. Long-term though i'm more confident.

 

[Grandma Death]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/8532758.stm

3 yrs

 

[Udo Erasmus]

as i understand it the highest vote for the bnp in the euroelections was in this constituency. local anti-fascists/unite against fascism members have called a meeting - 7.00 pm Friday 5th March @ Memo, Newbridge

 

[ymu]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/8532758.stm

3 yrs

Three years for making bombs, yet a Muslim kid got eight years for mere possession of materials which are widely available on the internet and some teenage boasting to students and teachers that he was going to become a terrorist.

 

[butchersapron]

as i understand it the highest vote for the bnp in the euroelections was in this constituency. local anti-fascists/unite against fascism members have called a meeting - 7.00 pm Friday 5th March @ Memo, Newbridge

Do you mean the highest vote in Wales?

 

[Udo Erasmus]

Do you mean the highest vote in Wales?

yes

 

[Clint Iguana]

as i understand it the highest vote for the bnp in the euroelections was in this constituency. local anti-fascists/unite against fascism members have called a meeting - 7.00 pm Friday 5th March @ Memo, Newbridge

Are you seriously suggesting the BNP are a bigger problem in Gwent than anywhere else in Wales?

Where do you live? do you have any local experience of the area?

 

[lewislewis]

Are you seriously suggesting the BNP are a bigger problem in Gwent than anywhere else in Wales?

Where do you live? do you have any local experience of the area?

I haven't checked the figures, he might well be right but I think the BNP did better in a different constituency. I've got the data somewhere i'll dig it up.

 

[butchersapron]

Swansea east was the best result.

 

[Udo Erasmus]

i was told this info by a councillor in the area, but it could well be wrong, politicians are not always right you know

 

[Clint Iguana]

Swansea east was the best result.

Yes, i am sure swansea is the biggest hostpot for the fash. Wrexham and caerphilly are also problem areas.

I am aware that there has been BNP leafleting in newbridge before, but i dont think they have a lot of support in the area. May have been at it again, hence the meeting in newbridge memo (which, as it happens, is miles from where this guy in Blackwood lives).

i know a lot of people that way that are dead against the fash.

 

[lewislewis]

There was alot of BNP leafleting in Llanelli as well but they did badly there.

 

[niclas]

Yes, i am sure swansea is the biggest hostpot for the fash. Wrexham and caerphilly are also problem areas.

BNP in Wrecsam seems to be imploding - no sign of Ennys Hughes at a recent BNP branch meeting in a local club. Rumour has it that she's had enough of the back-biting.

Also BNP Wales organiser Bill Murray has quit the party, possibly because of the admission of non-white members.

 

[Clint Iguana]

as i understand it the highest vote for the bnp in the euroelections was in this constituency. local anti-fascists/unite against fascism members have called a meeting - 7.00 pm Friday 5th March @ Memo, Newbridge

Meeting off due to the current upheaval in the Islwyn Labour Party

 

[lewislewis]

LOL. The Islwyn Labour Party is fucked. London HQ imposing shortlists on them and the locals getting pissed off. Four councillors have left and will be supporting Cllr David Rees as an Independent candidate at the next GE.

Rees describes himself as a 'democratic socialist', but is a member of the anti-devolution/anti-Assembly group 'True Wales' which is led by such bright sparks as the openly racist right-wing Tory MP for Monmouth David Davies. Happy to share platforms with UKIP as well. I hope he isn't Udo's local contact!

Still, if Rees does well enough it will let Plaid's Steffan Lewis in, so i'm all for this Labour split!

 

[Grandma Death]

Yes, i am sure swansea is the biggest hostpot for the fash. Wrexham and caerphilly are also problem areas.

I am aware that there has been BNP leafleting in newbridge before, but i dont think they have a lot of support in the area. May have been at it again, hence the meeting in newbridge memo (which, as it happens, is miles from where this guy in Blackwood lives).

i know a lot of people that way that are dead against the fash.

I know the person who has been responsible for some of the leaflets distributed in penllwyn some time ago. He's very active for the BNP so it wouldn't suprise me if he's pulling together numbers for for leaflets in the surrounding area.

 

[Udo Erasmus]

Meeting off due to the current upheaval in the Islwyn Labour Party

that is a bit crap & frankly should be irrelevant, if you are based in the area and there are other people with their heads stuck on, maybe they should get stuck into getting some local anti-fascism off the ground

 

[lewislewis]

I know a fair few people in Islwyn but they are all doing election work for Plaid at the moment. The BNP may not even stand there, and if they do at least Plaid is offering some kind of alternative?

 

[butchersapron]

The Welsh seats where the BNP have announced PPC's as of last weekend are (as far as i can see):

Aberavon
Newport East
Clwyd South
Wrexham

 

[LC1980]

Swansea is the only part of Wales where the jac-yr-undeb is popular.

 

[lewislewis]

Swansea is the only part of Wales where the jac-yr-undeb is popular.

Isn't it only one section of Swansea East though (where there is a silver jubilee mural)?
Swansea as a whole is mainly Welsh identifying rather than British, the BNP flop there and a friend of mine also maintains most of the Swansea City support is not right-wing or Unionist, it's a small but vocal cadre.