Blackwater licence cancelled by Iraqi Govt

[Random]

There is nothing "delicte" about installing and upholding a puppetry. The only delicate thing about it is this: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Staging a PMC shooting then staging government outrage then stageing reconcilliation then staging the investigation then staging the press reaction to it. Sounds like rather a lot of effort. If, as you say, such shootings happen all the time, why have the US Masters of Puppets tweaked the strings at all?

Looks like the Iraqi government are taking the opportunity to make a clean sweep of all the PMCs in Iraq http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7000642.stm All looks rather damaging to US prestige in the region, to me.

He would say: indoctrinating mission accomplished when reading posts like yours.

You think Fisk is an imperialist indoctrinator? A rather bizarre thing to say.

 

[Giles]

Are you applying for the U75 Racist Idiot Award of the Day, or something?

salaam.

No, just stating the obvious: in a violent country where there is no law, and life has little value, and where people kill each other in large numbers every day, then if you attack a person or group obviously defended by armed professionals, you can only expect them to respond with long bursts of automatic fire......

Don't be surprised.

Giles..

 

[Aldebaran]

If, as you say, such shootings happen all the time, why have the US Masters of Puppets tweaked the strings at all?

Why do you think they have?

Looks like the Iraqi government are taking the opportunity to make a clean sweep of all the PMCs in Iraq

Looks like... You said it. Did I say otherwise?

All looks rather damaging to US prestige in the region, to me.

I'm in tears of laughing now, really. What on earth is left to be damaged, in your opinion?

You think Fisk is an imperialist indoctrinator? A rather bizarre thing to say.

You have a strange way of reading what I write. Must be my bad English.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

No, just stating the obvious: in a violent country where there is no law, and life has little value, and where people kill each other in large numbers every day, then if you attack a person or group obviously defended by armed professionals, you can only expect them to respond with long bursts of automatic fire......

Don't be surprised.

Giles..

That is quite something else than you intented before, isn't it.

salaam.

 

[Giles]

That is quite something else than you intented before, isn't it.

salaam.

Not really. Just stating that in a situation like Iraq, when someone attacks you, you have to assume that they are part of an ambush, and that no quarter will be asked or given. You are likely to be killed, or captured and then tortured and killed. In this situation, pretty much any response is justified. If a person is in danger of his life, if he feels it necessary to shoot every possible threat, that is understandable to me.

Giles..

 

[Random]

Why do you think they have?

I don't, I thought you were the one saying this whole thing was a set-up?

 

[bluestreak]

how many civilians are you allowed to kill whilst defending yourself? one? two? forty?

i'm intrigued.

 

[Random]

If a person is in danger of his life, if he feels it necessary to shoot every possible threat, that is understandable to me.

So if someone broke into your neighbour's house, and your neighbour responded by spraying fire, that ended up spilling your families' brains on the breakfast table, that would be 'understandable' to you? As long as you lived in a dangerous area, of course.

 

[Aldebaran]

If a person is in danger of his life, if he feels it necessary to shoot every possible threat, that is understandable to me.

So you agree that every Iraqi has the right to kill every foreigner on his territory. That every Iraqi of every age should be armed to kill every single US/UK other foreigner who has a weapon or reaches to get one and even every foreigner who shouts threatening orders - in a foregni language at that - as if he owns the place.

salaam.

 

[Giles]

So you agree that every Iraqi has the right to kill every foreigner on his territory. That every Iraqi of every age should be armed to kill every single US/UK other foreigner who has a weapon or reaches to get one and even every foreigner who shouts threatening orders - in a foregni language at that - as if he owns the place.

salaam.

I don't care much about rights, really. I am just stating that to attack a heavily defended person invites retaliation.

It seems like a lot of Iraqis ARE shooting at UK and US servicemen, and they should not be surprised if they shoot back, with better aim and better weapons.

Giles..

 

[Donna Ferentes]

I don't care much about rights, really.

Except the rights of property, Giles, to be fair. They're very important to you.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I doubt the people firing the guns are surprised. Possibly the passers-by who get killed when Blackwater starts machinegunning the place indiscriminately are surprised. Briefly.

But then they're savages, they should expect that. Maybe if they're only wounded they might learn eh?

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Maybe they will learn eventually, although I doubt it. Most of them seem to be savages.

Jesus.

 

[Giles]

Except the rights of property, Giles, to be fair. They're very important to you.

For myself, I just want to be allowed to get on with my stuff, and not to bother anyone else.

In the matter of Iraq, both sides inevitably claim that they have "rights" to do whatever they are doing. I am just pointing out that shooting at someone obviously up for a fight is stupid if you then want to claim that the people you shot at have no right to fire back.

Giles..

 

[Donna Ferentes]

I am just pointing out that shooting at someone obviously up for a fight is stupid if you then want to claim that the people you shot at have no right to fire back.

No, you're not. You said:

In a place like Iraq, if someone shoots at you, I think it is fair enough to reply with everything you have got. I know I would. If someone attacks ME, I am entitled to do whatever I want, is my view on things.

"Whatever I want" means "whatever I want". "Fire back" means something wholly different.

Combine that with your reference to savages and it's very clear that what you mean is "these people are scum so if we're attacked we can kill them with impunity".

 

[Giles]

No, you're not. You said:



"Whatever I want" means "whatever I want". "Fire back" means something wholly different.

Combine that with your reference to savages and it's very clear that what you mean is "these people are scum so if we're attacked we can kill them with impunity".

I have no problem with the last sentence.

Giles..

 

[Donna Ferentes]

I have no problem with the last sentence.

Let me just check that: the eight dead civilians were scum and it was OK to kill them with impunity. Right?

 

[moono]

So if someone broke into your neighbour's house, and your neighbour responded by spraying fire, that ended up spilling your families' brains on the breakfast table, that would be 'understandable' to you? As long as you lived in a dangerous area, of course.

Lol. That has to be a contender for the U75 Strained Analogy of the Week too.

 

[DexterTCN]

I have no problem with the last sentence.

Giles..

I have no problem with anything that happens to you.

 

[Random]

For myself, I just want to be allowed to get on with my stuff, and not to bother anyone else.

Have you servied in Iraq, Giles, or do you just wish you could?

 

[bluestreak]

how many civilians are you allowed to kill whilst defending yourself? one? two? forty?

i'm intrigued.

anyone?

anyone at all, even those not defending criminal murderers of some or another?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

anyone?

anyone at all, even those not defending criminal murderers of some or another?

Given that the Ministry of War is called the Ministry of Defence couldn't that number be any amount (Orwell all the while spinning furiously in his grave)?

 

[rich!]

I don't care much about rights, really. I am just stating that to attack a heavily defended person invites retaliation.

It seems like a lot of Iraqis ARE shooting at UK and US servicemen, and they should not be surprised if they shoot back, with better aim and better weapons.

Giles..

Except what seems to be happening is:
a few Iraqis are shooting at mercenaries who currently occupy their country.
The mercenaries are committing indiscriminate slaughter of anyone within range of their weapons.

Which somehow seems to be, oh I don't know, wrong or something?

 

[bluestreak]

Given that the Ministry of War is called the Ministry of Defence couldn't that number be any amount (Orwell all the while spinning furiously in his grave)?

only our boys can be murdered, their boys can only be defeated.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

anyone?

anyone at all, even those not defending criminal murderers of some or another?

It's a trick question, you can't fool me. Anyone you shoot when you're under attack is an insurgent.

 

[rich!]

It's a trick question, you can't fool me. Anyone you shoot when you're under attack is an insurgent.

And anyone without your national passport you shoot is an invader. (Why didn't the Met try that - I'm sure they could put together a reasonable case that we have always been at war with Oceania^WBrazil)

 

[Ned Pointsman]

anyone?

anyone at all, even those not defending criminal murderers of some or another?

A war crime is basically an act that's wholly disproportionate to it's strategic gain.

 

[bluestreak]

A war crime is basically an act that's wholly disproportionate to it's strategic gain.

who gets to decide?

 

[Donna Ferentes]

I was wondering- do you think Giles' comments on here are the most objectionable things you've ever seen written on Urban75? Christ knows there's some stiff competition, but having the right to kill Iraqi civilians with impunity because they're savages - well, that's setting the bar pretty high.

 

[TAE]

It seems like a lot of Iraqis ARE shooting at UK and US servicemen, and they should not be surprised if they shoot back, with better aim and better weapons.

I think it's rather the other way around.