Indeed. But anyway (this shit should probably be stripped out into a new thread...), yeah the XDA Mini S is still a fecking cool little phone but it does have it's downsides. The cpu is a bit slow, while ok for most operations have anything more than four things running at once and you get the phone hanging on occasion. The camera is a little better than I first thought (figured out how to up it to it's full 1.3 megapixel setting at last...

) and with a gig mini sd taking random video while out and about can be quite fun!