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Forgive the long cut and paste, but if there are emails like this going round I thought it worth posting in full - who is this character Broder?

The rape of Europe

The German author Henryk M. Broder recently told the
Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant (12 October) that young
Europeans who love freedom, better emigrate.
Europe as we know it will no longer exist 20 years
from now. Whilst sitting on a terrace in Berlin ,
Broder pointed to the other customers and the
passers-by and said melancholically: We are watching
the world of yesterday.

Europe is turning Muslim. As Broder is sixty years old
he is not going to emigrate himself. I am too old, he
said. However, he urged young people to get out and
move to Australia or New Zealand . That is the only
option they have if they want to avoid the plagues
that will turn the old continent uninhabitable.

Many Germans and Dutch, apparently, did not wait for
Broder¢s advice. The number of emigrants leaving the
Netherlands and Germany has already surpassed the
number of immigrants moving in. One does not have to
be prophetic to predict, like Henryk Broder, that
Europe is becoming Islamic.
Just consider the demographics. The number of Muslims
in contemporary Europe is estimated to be 50 million.
It is expected to double in twenty years. By 2025, one
third of all European children will be born to Muslim
families. Today Mohammed is already the most popular
name for new-born boys in Brussels , Amsterdam ,
Rotterdam , and other major European cities.

Broder is convinced that the Europeans are not willing
to oppose islamization. The dominant ethos, he told De
Volkskrant, is perfectly voiced by the stupid blonde
woman author with whom I recently debated. She said
that it is sometimes better to let yourself be raped
than to risk serious injuries while resisting. She
said it is sometimes better to avoid fighting than run
the risk of death.

In a recent op-ed piece in the Brussels newspaper De
Standaard (23 October) the Dutch (gay and
self-declared humanist) author Oscar Van den Boogaard
refers to Broder¢s interview. Van den Boogaard says
that to him coping with the islamization of Europe is
like process of mourning. He is overwhelmed by a
feeling of sadness. I am not a warrior, he says, but
who is? I have never learned to fight for my freedom.
I was only good at enjoying it.

As Tom Bethell wrote in this month¢s American
Spectator: Just at the most basic level of demography
the secular-humanist option is not working. But there
is more to it than the fact that non-religious people
tend not to have as many children as religious people,
because many of them prefer to enjoy freedom rather
than renounce it for the sake of children.
Secularists, it seems to me, are also less keen on
fighting. Since they do not believe in an afterlife,
this life is the only thing they have to lose. Hence
they will rather accept submission than fight. Like
the German feminist Broder referred to, they prefer to
be raped than to resist.

If faith collapses, civilization goes with it, says
Bethell. That is the real cause of the closing of
civilization in Europe. Islamization is simply the
consequence. The very word Islam means submission and
the secularists have submitted already. Many Europeans
have already become Muslims, though they do not
realize it or do not want to admit it.

Some of the people I meet in the U.S. are particularly
worried about the rise of anti-Semitism in Europe .
They are correct when they fear that anti-Semitism is
also on the rise among non-immigrant Europeans. The
latter hate people with a fighting spirit.
Contemporary anti-Semitism in Europe (at least when
coming from native Europeans) is related to
anti-Americanism. People who are not prepared to
resist and are eager to submit, hate others who do not
want to submit and are prepared to fight. They hate
them because they are afraid that the latter will
endanger their lives as well. In their view everyone
must submit.

This is why they have come to hate Israel and America
so much, and the small band of European islamophobes
who dare to talk about what they see happening around
them. West Europeans have to choose between submission
(islam) or death. I fear, like Broder, that they have
chosen submission just like in former days when they
preferred to be red rather than dead.
:eek:

Do any of the stats add up?

Its clearly hateful nonsense.
 
Europe is turning Muslim. As Broder is sixty years old
he is not going to emigrate himself. I am too old, he
said

Blair reckons there's another eight years work left in him. :D
 
niksativa said:
Forgive the long cut and paste, but if there are emails like this going round I thought it worth posting in full - who is this character Broder?

:eek:

Do any of the stats add up?

Its clearly hateful nonsense.

Clearly hateful. Mostly nonsense, but like all good-bad propaganda, some fact's are added to attempt to lend a legitimacy to the skewed opions.

This type of hate rhetoric has been increasing in the UK more, and seems to be coming from several American-based think tanks, who have a presence here in the UK. There's no 'conspiracy' - they operate out in the open.
 
And the solution is to live in New Zealand or Australia, I'd rather live under a Islamist regime than those two places (if the nonsense of this e-mail was even correct, which it isn't due to a lack of actual facts).

Anyways, even if demographically speaking, Europe does eventually become a muslim majority continent, that does not automatically translate into a Islamist theocracy with laws based on holy books. Turkey, Croatia and Albania are all Muslim majority states and are more or less fully secular in the Western European model.

As for the American Spectator butting in on this, they should instead concentrate on their own nation, as outside of the Muslim world, the USA has the potential to become a theocracy itself, given the large and powerful Christian Right movement out there.

And if you wish to fight the rise of Islamism and fundamentalism, how is turning your back on European secularism and going back to Christianity (as the e-mail suggests) a solution???
 
I suppose the big fault line in this argument
is that europe can't absorb new "muslim" immigrants
in the way it has absorbed every other
wave of migration in the past

Sure europe will change
but will all those son's of daughters
of this new population be hard core islamicists

I doubt it
 
Plato1983 said:
And the solution is to live in New Zealand or Australia, I'd rather live under a Islamist regime than those two places (if the nonsense of this e-mail was even correct, which it isn't due to a lack of actual facts).

Anyways, even if demographically speaking, Europe does eventually become a muslim majority continent, that does not automatically translate into a Islamist theocracy with laws based on holy books. Turkey, Croatia and Albania are all Muslim majority states and are more or less fully secular in the Western European model.

As for the American Spectator butting in on this, they should instead concentrate on their own nation, as outside of the Muslim world, the USA has the potential to become a theocracy itself, given the large and powerful Christian Right movement out there.

And if you wish to fight the rise of Islamism and fundamentalism, how is turning your back on European secularism and going back to Christianity (as the e-mail suggests) a solution???
Good post Plato -

What is most depressing is that the author Broder is a Polish Jew - what a tragedy that history must repeat itself in such a cynical fashion.
 
I found the original posting of this here:
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1609/print

it refers to another BJ article here:
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/852

...I though this bit was funny:
"The coming decade will witness the war between the values of Islam and the secular “values” of the decadent, hedonistic post-Marxist Left."

"decadent, hedonistic post-Marxist Left" - good name for a band!

-I cant seem to work out what this Brussles Journal really is - if anyone has heard of it before please post.
edit: theres a short wiki on it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brussels_Journal

Here's the mug responsible for the "journal":
150px-Paulbelien.jpg

Paul Belien
 
Paul Belien is just a frustrated little racist fulminating so hysterically that it becomes ridiculously childish.
If he doesn't agree with Belgian Law (which he often enough stated) he can always immigrate with his racist wife to a deserted island. In which case I would recommend the Belgian State to remove their parental rights over their children (as it stands I would recommend this in any case).

No surprise that such a ridiculous individual finds a platform in certain US circles and media. Try to explain to the average US'er that Belgium as a nation exists is asking for a headache but when it comes to propaganda and hate/fear mongering, the origin or background of the tool has no importance.

The "internet(s)" once again proves to harbour life forms of its own making :)

salaam.
 
steyn.jpg

Resurecting this old thread because it seems the ideas put about by Paul Belien have caught on and inspired a best selling book in the US called America Alone: The End of the World as We Know It by Mark Steyn (pic above)

Link to US Amazon site - check comments out from his many US fans

In the book he's basically reguritating Belien's scare story that has Muslims taking over Europe whilst the "white" Europeans all abandon ship (in 2015 supposedly is when it will happen)

Here's a summary of it:
'America Alone' is a guidebook to a continent called Eurabia in the year 2020. Its old European shell looks familiar; "most of" the old Cathedrals and boulevards "still stand" in Rome and London and Paris. But the Islamic National Republican Coalition has just won the French elections - only the latest nation-sized domino to fall to the Islamists. Alcohol is already banned in the Netherlands and Denmark. The continent's women are veiled. The gay clubs are long since shut and shuttered, "relocated to San Francisco."

The "mass evacuations" of white people began five years ago, as the "supposedly Greater France" began "remorselessly evolving month by month into Greater Bosnia." As they flee, the last Europeans curse the memory of mass immigration and multiculturalism. They now realise that 7/7 and France's 2006 car-burning banlieues were merely "the first stage of the Eurabian civil war." The continent that defined modernity is condemned to "societal collapse, fascist revivalism" and a descent into "the long Eurabian night." America is left alone, the last country to resist being "reprimitivized".

Looks like JOhaan Hari has got himself into a little slanging match with Steyn - evidence of which is here:
http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=1082

Supposedly this Steyn fella has a coloumn in the Telegraph!

All this is I suppose to be expected - I guess it was inevitable that there would be some public anti-muslim sentiment made at some time.

I was thinking, who would publish such crap? Is this acceptable in the mainstream? Acutally its published by a rightwing nut job publisher :
Regnery Publishing
http://www.regnery.com/

Check out some of their other titles - classic stuff (click thru to "complete catlogue") . Includes such gems as "At Any Cost: How Gore Tried to Steal the Election, - "Sammon's political thriller exposes all the behind-the-scenes manipulation and courtroom maneuvering that turned Florida's election upside down"!:)
 
niksativa said:
Forgive the long cut and paste, but if there are emails like this going round I thought it worth posting in full - who is this character Broder?
Why did you have to help propagate this racist bullshit by cutting and pasting the entire thing here?
 
editor said:
Why did you have to help propagate this racist bullshit by cutting and pasting the entire thing here?
That OP is from Novemeber last year now, but at the time I did it cos there was no way to link to it.

I thought it was worth discussing cos it was a particularly underhand kind of racist email and played on half truths and so on - then again I recieved it from what I imagined were some level headed people so I was interested what others would make of it. Perhaps I was wrong to do that...

I revived the thread becasue now the content of that email has become a bestselling book in the US.
 
TAE said:
Not sure whether to laugh or cry.

As long as reading this idiocy scares them into avoiding Europe (let alone the Arabian Hell !!) on their once-in-a-lifetime-going-overseas-as-noisy-as-we-can tourism trip, I have no objections.

salaam.
 
An attempt at mass scaremongering - more likely to be successful in US, hopefully there are enough sane people in Europe to ignore this racist - no platform for racists

KoD
 
bloody hell i would have been about 17 when i wrote that! nice to see i didn't make that much of a dick of myself :oops: my views have probably changed somewhat since then tho. (and so have those of the person i was argueing with!)
 
Forgive the long cut and paste, but if there are emails like this going round I thought it worth posting in full - who is this character Broder?

:eek:

Do any of the stats add up?

Its clearly hateful nonsense.

It's hateful shit and it's not too dissimilar to other far-right staples over the years.
 
The other question is what do you do when people who are otherwise moderately rational and not overtly BNP shitwits send you this sort of bullshit as a chain e-mail?

Is it sensible to try and reason with them? Or is there a way I can cause their computer to explode?
 
Is it sensible to try and reason with them? Or is there a way I can cause their computer to explode?
You can't reason with them it's a "I'm not a racist but" kind of thing...
...come on Bill Gates we need the button (BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!)

KoD
 
somebody bumped this thread from 2006 - five years later this kind of email and its arguments are still running around, and likely getting people elected too. depressing.

[old bumped threads always scary - thank good we cant bump old conversations from real life]
 
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