Bit o' boxin' like
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Red Faction
Allez Les Rouges
they've eliminated it from amateur havent they?
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Red Faction said:
I don't think so. It's only used in amateur boxing and is quite a recent innovation. When people talk about Stevenson and Savon as the greatest amateur heavyweights, they often don't realise that they actually fought in different weight divisions. Savon was a heavyweight in the current era, when heavyweight is not the heaviest weight. Both amazing fighters though. I actually look forward to the Olympic boxing much more than to all but a handful of pro fights. There's more beauty in the performances of someone like Mario Kindelan than in those of almost any professional you care to name.
On Ibeabuchi - the man was clearly an extraordinarily talented boxer but he was also clearly deeply mentally ill and a danger to others out of the ring, particularly women. The rape was not his first violent crime and this isn't his first spell in prison. From the information available it seems that the guy should have been in a mental institution a long time ago.
Red Faction said:
Lewis was nearer 17 stone so it's got to be heavier than that.
The Butterbean character 1798 mentions below was a funny one... Around 25 stone, only ever fought 4 round fights because otherwise he would collapse.
liquidlunch
fargonebeauty
super middleweight
bout announced today over here mundine v green for jan 26.green has been trying to get the man in the ring for the past 3 years but mundine has been avoiding it.now he will get his head punched in again as sven ottke laid him out 3 years ago.it is the only time he was quiet in the ring
bout announced today over here mundine v green for jan 26.green has been trying to get the man in the ring for the past 3 years but mundine has been avoiding it.now he will get his head punched in again as sven ottke laid him out 3 years ago.it is the only time he was quiet in the ring
Numbers
an ting!
Start spreading the word
I'm looking forward to Clinton Woods bout on Friday, against Julio Gonzalez for the IBF Light Heavy... Woods. if successful, should get a shot at the winner of Tarver v Jones Jr on Oct 1st..
Amir Khan has moved into the top 5 rising stars, good for him, but after 1 pro fight I don't think it's as yet justified.... the full list is
1. Miguel Cotto.- Jr Welterweight - 24-0-16(KO's) - Stance: Orthodox - Age: 24
Cotto represented his home country of Puerto Rico in the 2000 Olympics. Cotto is one of those rare fighters who doesn’t really do one thing great but does everything well. His technique is almost flawless and he fights at a steady pace working up and down. I think its time for Cotto to take that next step and make his move to the top right now.
2. Samuel Peter- Heavyweight - 24-0-21(KO's) - Stance: Orthodox - Age: 24
In a division in desperate need of some life Sam Peter is a breath of fresh air. The kid is, big, strong, fast and hits like a Mack truck. Peter is still very raw, but he has made great strides since turning pro and he continues to get better. I see no reason why he wont be Heavyweight Champ in the near future.
3. Robert Guerrero- Featherweight - 15-0-1-8(KO’s) - Stance: Southpaw - Age: 22
Guerrero is by far the best prospect at Featherweight. Extremely tall for this weight class and he makes good use of his height by fighting on the outside and using his long reach to keep opponents at bay and tag them with his straight left. Guerrero has learned to sit down on his punches more since the beginning of his career and as a result his power has increased dramatically
4. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr- Jr Welterweight - 20-0- 15(KO's) - Stance: Orthodox
Age: 19
Talk about having a built in fan base. Don't get the wrong idea, he's not just Julio Cesar Chavez's son, but a legit prospect and that's what has the boxing world talking. Chavez Jr has an amazing left hand that he uses to go up and down on opponents. He throws every punch in the book and throws them well.
5. Amir Kahn- Jr Welterweight - 1-0-1(KO) - Stance: Southpaw - Age: 18
Kahn is as hyped as any prospect in the last 10 years. Kahn won a silver medal at the 2004 Olympic games. Seems to be the total package. Great hand speed with knockout power, but it's not only his skill that people notice, Kahn seems to have that certain star quality about him like a Prince Naseem Hamed or an Oscar De La Hoya.
Keep an eye out for Calvin Brock too, it seems.
peace
Boxing Scene said:
I'm looking forward to Clinton Woods bout on Friday, against Julio Gonzalez for the IBF Light Heavy... Woods. if successful, should get a shot at the winner of Tarver v Jones Jr on Oct 1st..
Amir Khan has moved into the top 5 rising stars, good for him, but after 1 pro fight I don't think it's as yet justified.... the full list is
1. Miguel Cotto.- Jr Welterweight - 24-0-16(KO's) - Stance: Orthodox - Age: 24
Cotto represented his home country of Puerto Rico in the 2000 Olympics. Cotto is one of those rare fighters who doesn’t really do one thing great but does everything well. His technique is almost flawless and he fights at a steady pace working up and down. I think its time for Cotto to take that next step and make his move to the top right now.
2. Samuel Peter- Heavyweight - 24-0-21(KO's) - Stance: Orthodox - Age: 24
In a division in desperate need of some life Sam Peter is a breath of fresh air. The kid is, big, strong, fast and hits like a Mack truck. Peter is still very raw, but he has made great strides since turning pro and he continues to get better. I see no reason why he wont be Heavyweight Champ in the near future.
3. Robert Guerrero- Featherweight - 15-0-1-8(KO’s) - Stance: Southpaw - Age: 22
Guerrero is by far the best prospect at Featherweight. Extremely tall for this weight class and he makes good use of his height by fighting on the outside and using his long reach to keep opponents at bay and tag them with his straight left. Guerrero has learned to sit down on his punches more since the beginning of his career and as a result his power has increased dramatically
4. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr- Jr Welterweight - 20-0- 15(KO's) - Stance: Orthodox
Age: 19
Talk about having a built in fan base. Don't get the wrong idea, he's not just Julio Cesar Chavez's son, but a legit prospect and that's what has the boxing world talking. Chavez Jr has an amazing left hand that he uses to go up and down on opponents. He throws every punch in the book and throws them well.
5. Amir Kahn- Jr Welterweight - 1-0-1(KO) - Stance: Southpaw - Age: 18
Kahn is as hyped as any prospect in the last 10 years. Kahn won a silver medal at the 2004 Olympic games. Seems to be the total package. Great hand speed with knockout power, but it's not only his skill that people notice, Kahn seems to have that certain star quality about him like a Prince Naseem Hamed or an Oscar De La Hoya.
Keep an eye out for Calvin Brock too, it seems.
peace
Amir Khan does have promise. I didn't realise he'd already gone pro.
Naseem Hamed has to have been the biggest waste of talent ever, at least from the UK. If he'd been committed he would be a contender for pound for pound now.
I read an interview with Khan the other day where he stated his desire to fight Mayweather within 4 years!
Naseem Hamed has to have been the biggest waste of talent ever, at least from the UK. If he'd been committed he would be a contender for pound for pound now.
I read an interview with Khan the other day where he stated his desire to fight Mayweather within 4 years!
Numbers
an ting!
I agree about Naseen Hamed, seen a pic of him recently in the press tho' and he looked huge. He was good, no doubt, but his claims to be a living legend were all good and well when sugar coated, he lost once, and since lost all credibility to his claims.
I still raise a smile when I watch, or think back even, to how he was taken to school by Marco Antonio. he he great stuff.
I still raise a smile when I watch, or think back even, to how he was taken to school by Marco Antonio. he he great stuff.
tony1798 said:
It's extremely sad. He had the talent, but apparently was a waster who used to stuff his face with burgers between fights and just get fit in the month or so before.
I never saw the Barrera-Hamed fight, thank god...
tony1798 said:
I didn't know that (about Hatton)...
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
RenegadeDog said:
Neither did I. If true it doesn't compare well with Mayweather, who by all accounts walks around near fight weight and loves to train.
Hamed's problem wasn't just indiscipline though. It was at root lack of boxing technique. He had superb natural gifts - reflexes, hand speed, power, chin - but he was essentially an excellent athlete who boxed rather than an excellent boxer. He never learnt basic technique, how to stay balanced, how to operate a defence etc. And he was such a talented athlete that he got away with that for a long time. Even though he was repeatedly put on the floor and regularly hit much more than he should have been he could always put the other guy away with his speed and power.
Until of course he met Barrera. Because no matter how freakish your talent is, it won't be enough at the top unless you can box.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Yeah sorry, there aren't enough people posting on boxing threads as it is without one of us sneaking off...
The black trunks thing is along the lines of footballers wearing black armbands in memory of death or tragedy isn't it?
The black trunks thing is along the lines of footballers wearing black armbands in memory of death or tragedy isn't it?
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
tony1798 said:
I like cocky fighters and I like his dismissive attitude towards British boxers whose main ambition is to win a minor alphabet belt and then defend it for half a decade in their home towns. He has at every turn tried to fight the best guy available and that's admirable if perhaps not very smart.
As far as his talent goes - Jones beat him with some ease but since then he has improved and Jones has declined. He also did better against Johnson than either Jones or Tarver. I think at the moment he is one step below the Johnson/Tarver tier but he has a chance to step up. How much Jones has left in the tank is an unknowable.
liquidlunch
fargonebeauty
that's right, nth west aust.DAMPIER
the self proclaimed"man" won the wba super middleweight off antwun echols in 2003 but lost it to manny siaca in 04.he has done pretty well in the 5 years he has been in the game but he was a gun rugby league player and should have stuck to it
the man is also known as the mouth by unkind punters.his old man who is his trainer was a good fighter.held 4 aussie titles and 2 commonwealth ones.tony1798 said:
the self proclaimed"man" won the wba super middleweight off antwun echols in 2003 but lost it to manny siaca in 04.he has done pretty well in the 5 years he has been in the game but he was a gun rugby league player and should have stuck to it
Numbers
an ting!
Reminder...
Clinton Woods makes the first defence of his IBF Light Heavy belt tonight, funny thing is IBF champ' Woods is seen as the underdog by many experts, but an impressive win tonight should see him, as mentioned already, get a shot at Tarver or Jones... we shall see.
<sets reminder>
Calzaghe and Khan both fight tomorrow night, Calzaghe is a weird one, he's fighting Evans Ashira... who you might ask... and he's definitely not worth a mention record wise etcetera... unless he gives Joe a whuppin' - but he wont. wtf is Calzaghe at - he needs a career defining fight before it's too late. Bring on 'Left Hook'.
Khan has 'Baz' Carey, a man who's lost more than he's won (W9 L13 D3) - I agree he's a good test at this stage of Khan's career - but that's it, a fair test, nuthin' more... but Khan should wax it....
peace
Clinton Woods makes the first defence of his IBF Light Heavy belt tonight, funny thing is IBF champ' Woods is seen as the underdog by many experts, but an impressive win tonight should see him, as mentioned already, get a shot at Tarver or Jones... we shall see.
<sets reminder>
Calzaghe and Khan both fight tomorrow night, Calzaghe is a weird one, he's fighting Evans Ashira... who you might ask... and he's definitely not worth a mention record wise etcetera... unless he gives Joe a whuppin' - but he wont. wtf is Calzaghe at - he needs a career defining fight before it's too late. Bring on 'Left Hook'.
Khan has 'Baz' Carey, a man who's lost more than he's won (W9 L13 D3) - I agree he's a good test at this stage of Khan's career - but that's it, a fair test, nuthin' more... but Khan should wax it....
peace
I would expect Roy Jones Jr to hammer Clinton Woods, regardless of whether he's in quite the same form that he used to be.
Numbers
an ting!
Not sure about that bro, not at the moment anyway, it'll be interesting to see which Roy Jones turns up against Tarver, Jones has dropped off the pace a bit and Woods has shown improvement and pushed up through the field so I reckon it's at least a little closer than the prev' fight, which ended with Woods corner throwing in the towel in the 6th.
Looking forward to Calzaghe & Khan tonight.
Looking forward to Calzaghe & Khan tonight.
Numbers
an ting!
Very good indeed from Khan, looks a very seasoned boxer already. He's definitely a star for the future, fair enough Carey was/is limited but he was a decent idea for Khan and made him look good, but boy does he look accomplished. He's quite big for his weight class too.
Calzaghe goes the distance yet again, brock his hand in the 3rd so had to jab his way to a unaimous points, no real test tho'. Lacy will be a diffferent proposition but Joey boy has enough imo.
peace
Calzaghe goes the distance yet again, brock his hand in the 3rd so had to jab his way to a unaimous points, no real test tho'. Lacy will be a diffferent proposition but Joey boy has enough imo.
peace
kained&able
Here for the football.
kahns hand speed is ridiculous. As for calzaghe how often has his hand been broken??? seems like its been at least three times now.
dave
dave
RubberBuccaneer
Hedd Wyn
kained&unable said:
Yep, that and his elbow, can he heal in time ...I've got my doubts.
The look on hi sface as he had to go through the motions for the last 7 rounds or so knowing he couldn't give the crowd a good show, I felt really sorry for him.
Still slaps his punches tho'
Look at the picture I just found of Hamed...
Almost tragic...
Almost tragic...
Paulie Tandoori
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