Birmingham United FC?

[Stanley Edwards]

I don't and never have lived in Manchester so I wouldn't know. If you asked people in Aston if Aston was part of Birmingham I reckon you'd get 100% yes. If you asked people in West Brom the same, you'd get noes. It's hardly a surprise that when abroad people say their nearest major city, when I lived with my parents I said I came from London despite being 30 miles away, doesn't mean I grew up in London or ever thought I actually lived there, just quickly sick of the conversations that go "where is that?", "it's near London"...

If what I said (which is that West Brom is a substantially different place to Aston), is what you said (which is that they are not really that different), and that also all the other Black Country towns and cities that are part of the west midlands conurbation are part of Birmingham, why didn't you include Wolves and Walsall in your original post? They belong there just as much as West Brom do by your logic.

Totally agreed. WTF are trying to argue about?

OP asked about a Birmingham merger. I say most London clubs are not actually London, but part of a much larger conurbation known as Greater London. I say the West Midlands conurbation is known to most as Birmingham and surrounding towns sort of thing.

I didn't include Wolves and Walsall in my first post because it wasn't necessary.

Anyway you fucking pedant; Villa are the 5th most successful club in English football history behind Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea. We are there without any fuck-off external investing from big twats. Fuck any merger.

 

[BigTom]

Totally agreed. WTF are trying to argue about?

OP asked about a Birmingham merger. I say most London clubs are not actually London, but part of a much larger conurbation known as Greater London. I say the West Midlands conurbation is known to most as Birmingham and surrounding towns sort of thing.

I didn't include Wolves and Walsall in my first post because it wasn't necessary.

Anyway you fucking pedant; Villa are the 5th most successful club in English football history behind Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea. We are there without any fuck-off external investing from big twats. Fuck any merger.

I'd totally agree about a merger (if I actually cared), and never said or suggested otherwise. West Bromwich is not part of Birmingham though, it's in the Black Country and would self-identify as such (I bet people from Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea etc would say they are Londoners), and so WBA shouldn't be included in any conversation about a merger, any more than Wolves or Walsall should be. That's what we're arguing about. There's nothing more to say on it I don't think. You're wrong though

 

[aylee]

Even if Villa somehow survive, or Blues make it through the play offs, when was the last time a Birmingham club won anything significant? Anyone? I'm 41 and can't remember anytime.

You must have a poor memory, then. In your lifetime, Villa have won the Championship in 1981, the European Cup in 1982, the European Super Cup in 1982 and the League Cup three, possibly four times (depending on when you were born in 1975). Blues have won the League Cup once as well.

Even if you're one of those wankers for whom football began with the founding of the Premier League in 1992, two of Villa's League Cup wins and that of Blues came in that era.

Wouldn't the two clubs be better merging and pooling resources and building a 70,000 seater stadium to rival Old Trafford or the Millenium Stadium- the sort of stadium the second city deserves? Birmingham United could give the London and Manchester clubs a serious run for their money.....

What do ya reckon?

I think you're a troll.

 

[aylee]

The league cup is hardly the big time, though, is it?

Only a true come-to-football-post-1992 twat would say that.

 

[LeslieB]

Yeah I didn't really follow football until I was about 15 so about 1989 to 1990 ish.

So yes that is mostly in the premier league era. So what? That's still quite a long time.

 

[Lorca]

your tripping homes.

 

[Ungrateful]

I can only think of two things that unites Birmingham City and Aston Villa supporters. 1) The experience of watching a club that is run by asset-strippers of varying degrees of legality. 2) The OP's initial moronic suggestion. Why not suggest Celtic and Rangers combine to improve the chances of Scottish clubs in European club competitions?

The initial premise is that football is just about winning or being in the Premier league. Most supporters in the UK watch clubs that aren't in the Premier League.

 

[LeslieB]

Why not suggest Celtic and Rangers combine to improve the chances of Scottish clubs in European club competitions?

Because I don't know that much about Scottish Football. Personally I'd like to see a Glasgow United and a Belfast United in a UK wide Premier League, and, for that matter, a UK national football team. But I accept most people in Scotland and NI would probably feel differently......

 

[Puddy_Tat]

to be perfectly honest, I'd say that anyone who seriously suggests established club sides merging, just doesn't get it...

 

[LeslieB]

to be perfectly honest, I'd say that anyone who seriously suggests established club sides merging, just doesn't get it...

You know what? I probably don't 'get it'. But it would be interesting to know what opinion across the whole city was.

If I was a Brummie (I was born about 20 miles away so I'm not) I'd like to see my city's team winning the Premier League, my city's world class stadium hosting the Champions League Final, maybe even a World or European Cup match someday.

That would surely be better than a petty local rivalry between two mediocre teams?

 

[Stanley Edwards]

You know what? I probably don't 'get it'. But it would be interesting to know what opinion across the whole city was.

If I was a Brummie (I was born about 20 miles away so I'm not) I'd like to see my city's team winning the Premier League, my city's world class stadium hosting the Champions League Final, maybe even a World or European Cup match someday.

That would surely be better than a petty local rivalry between two mediocre teams?

Villa Park has seen all you list except one, and still hosts local derbys.

 

[Lorca]

You know what? I probably don't 'get it'. But it would be interesting to know what opinion across the whole city was.[/QUOTE

i can assure you as a nose of 30 odd years standing, opinion on our side of the city is that the likelihood of us ever merging with arrogant vile is erm, shall we say fairly unlikely! i think you underestimate the underlying antipathy tbh.

 

[LeslieB]

I'll put you down as a 'maybe', OK?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

West Bromwich isn't in Birmingham

West Bromwich centre is in the Black County. The football ground however is in Handsworth so is in Birmingham (also has Brum postcode). The majority of Albion's support is from the Black Country but there are significant pockets of support in North Birmingham e.g Handsworth Wood, Perry Barr, Hamstead.

Hope that's cleared it up!

 

[Smokeandsteam]

You know what? I probably don't 'get it'. But it would be interesting to know what opinion across the whole city was.

If I was a Brummie (I was born about 20 miles away so I'm not) I'd like to see my city's team winning the Premier League, my city's world class stadium hosting the Champions League Final, maybe even a World or European Cup match someday.

That would surely be better than a petty local rivalry between two mediocre teams?

This is the most stupid post I've ever seen on Urban - and it's a fucking low bar.

 

[Favelado]

[QUOTE="LeslieB, post:

When was the last time the Premier League was won by someone from anywhere other than Manchester [/QUOTE]
...

 

[LeslieB]

This is the most stupid post I've ever seen on Urban - and it's a fucking low bar.

Another maybe?