Birmingham councillor joins Respect

[junius]

And Tony Blair supported unilateral nuclear disarmament when he first stood for parliament ....

Given that he wasn't elected to parliament ... what exactly is your point?

Maybe people are not allowed to change their mind in your universe, but if I thought that I'd be pretty despairing about the future state of the world.

I wouldn't use Blair as a good example of someone changing his mind - when Labour moved to the left, he conveniently positioned himself on the left. Its called careerism.Similarly, when Lib Dem and trots hook up alarm bells start ringing in my head. What's in it for both of them? Once again, its called careerism.

For the likes of John Rees, marxism is about as relevant to political practice as republicanism is to Gerry Adams. Respect is a breeding ground for careerists, although I readily acknowledge you're not one of them - you're just engaged in wishful thinking.

 

[nwnm]

yeah thats why a RESPECT councillor has written a pamphlet about Poplar council in the 1920's - when they went to prison rather than betray ordinary working class people and forced the Gov't to back down. Learn a bit of history pillock

 

[Macullam]

yeah thats why a RESPECT councillor has written a pamphlet about Poplar council in the 1920's - when they went to prison rather than betray ordinary working class people and forced the Gov't to back down. Learn a bit of history pillock

Yes lets see if it has any impact if Respect manage to win enough seats to make a difference in Tower hamlets. Thats when the cracks will appear and those without the socialist tradition will crumble. Does Respect have a programme and strategy for opposing the cuts ?
If anyone is interested in the Poplar revolt can I recommend the book by Noreen Branson.

 

[nwnm]

The Branson book is out of print whereas Michael Lavalette's "George Lansbury and the rebel councillors of Poplar" is hot off the press (ISBN 1898877440 - should you want to order it) Also contains a piece entitled 'The Challenge for RESPECT today' - maybe you should read it instead of telling us how 'doomed' we are (people came out with similar predictions about our impending destruction before the General Election as well BTW).

Its also prominantly advertised (ahead of Galloway's new pamphlet) on the RESPECT website
http://www.respectcoalition.org/

http://www.respectcoalition.org/?ite=1018

 

[Fisher_Gate]

The Branson book is out of print whereas Michael Lavalette's "George Lansbury and the rebel councillors of Poplar" is hot off the press (ISBN 1898877440 - should you want to order it) Also contains a piece entitled 'The Challenge for RESPECT today' - maybe you should read it instead of telling us how 'doomed' we are (people came out with similar predictions about our impending destruction before the General Election as well BTW).

Its also prominantly advertised (ahead of Galloway's new pamphlet) on the RESPECT website
http://www.respectcoalition.org/

http://www.respectcoalition.org/?ite=1018

I've read both. Branson's book is very good on the historical detail - but I can recommend Lavalette's as far superior on political strategy. After all Branson was a member of the Communist Party of Great Britain (the larger stalinist party that is - not to be confused with the ultra left micro organisation that has that name today), whereas Lavalette has been a councillor for the last three years.

 

[Fisher_Gate]

I wouldn't use Blair as a good example of someone changing his mind - when Labour moved to the left, he conveniently positioned himself on the left. Its called careerism.Similarly, when Lib Dem and trots hook up alarm bells start ringing in my head. What's in it for both of them? Once again, its called careerism.

For the likes of John Rees, marxism is about as relevant to political practice as republicanism is to Gerry Adams. Respect is a breeding ground for careerists, although I readily acknowledge you're not one of them - you're just engaged in wishful thinking.

So let me get this straight:

a person on election for the first time becomes a Lib Dem cabinet member earning 40k a year; he is selected as parliamentary candidate for a seat he has no chance of winning, but increases the LibDem vote by 30+%; he then refuses to compromise over giving grants to a poorly performing pet organisation led by another LibDem councillor and is removed from his position. He then resigns from the party, sitting as an independent for six months, before trying to join a group that has no councillors, as a CAREER MOVE because all he's interested in his CAREER?

 

[rebel warrior]

So let me get this straight:

a person on election for the first time becomes a Lib Dem cabinet member earning 40k a year; he is selected as parliamentary candidate for a seat he has no chance of winning, but increases the LibDem vote by 30+%; he then refuses to compromise over giving grants to a poorly performing pet organisation led by another LibDem councillor and is removed from his position. He then resigns from the party, sitting as an independent for six months, before trying to join a group that has no councillors, as a CAREER MOVE because all he's interested in his CAREER?

The. Head. On. The. Nail. Hits.

 

[Macullam]

The Branson book is out of print whereas Michael Lavalette's "George Lansbury and the rebel councillors of Poplar" is hot off the press (ISBN 1898877440 - should you want to order it) Also contains a piece entitled 'The Challenge for RESPECT today' - maybe you should read it instead of telling us how 'doomed' we are (people came out with similar predictions about our impending destruction before the General Election as well BTW).

I make no predictions re the downfall of Respect or would take no pleasure from its demise. When it happens or the SWP lose interest it will represent a set back and further barrier to building a socialist alternative. The point I was trying to make was that Respect is a volatile and unstable formation with no unifying political programme therefore under pressure some individuals would inevitably buckle.

 

[Macullam]

After all Branson was a member of the Communist Party of Great Britain (the larger stalinist party that is - not to be confused with the ultra left micro organisation that has that name today), [/QUOTE]

As is Andrew Murray who the SWP cosy up to in STWC and who the CBP complains has gone native. How long the tiny rump of what remains of the CPB remains outside of respect is debatable. It does seem to be the ideal "progressive popular front" that the stalinists usually champion.

 

[junius]

So let me get this straight:

a person on election for the first time becomes a Lib Dem cabinet member earning 40k a year; he is selected as parliamentary candidate for a seat he has no chance of winning, but increases the LibDem vote by 30+%; he then refuses to compromise over giving grants to a poorly performing pet organisation led by another LibDem councillor and is removed from his position. He then resigns from the party, sitting as an independent for six months, before trying to join a group that has no councillors, as a CAREER MOVE because all he's interested in his CAREER?

Seems you've become his self-appointed spin doctor.

So the CPGB was stalinist, today's CPGB is ultra-left, how would you then characterise Respect?

 

[nwnm]

"I make no predictions re the downfall of Respect or would take no pleasure from its demise. When it happens ...." LOL LOL LOLLITY LOL

"Yes lets see if it has any impact if Respect manage to win enough seats to make a difference in Tower hamlets. Thats when the cracks will appear" LOLLITY LOLLITY LOL LOL LOL

 

[Macullam]

You heard it here first..

http://www.respectcoalition.org/?ite=1008

The original reason why this Councillor resigned from Labour according to the Birmingham evening Post:


> It came after he axed a grant to the Bangladeshi Welfare Association
> and was accused of recruiting his friends to strengthen his own
> position.

 

[mutley]

The original reason why this Councillor resigned from Labour according to the Birmingham evening Post:


> It came after he axed a grant to the Bangladeshi Welfare Association
> and was accused of recruiting his friends to strengthen his own
> position.

Erm, it was the liberals that he left.

The Bangladeshi assn got dissed by the auditors, so wasn't going to get any council money whoever was in charge.
Can't provide a link, it what i got told by a mate who pays attention to the doings of councillors.

 

[Kidda]

only people in respect would see this as a good thing

fucking classic.

Brum city council is one of the most corrupt and untrusted in the country, people wont give a shit which party he's in, a cunts a cunts a cunt.

 

[nwnm]

" a cunts a cunts a cunt" well thats your credentials sorted out then.....

 

[junius]

Weekly Worker exposes Hussain

Thanks for clearing that one up. When I first heard it I must admit I was shaken - not stirred

Sorry to shake you even further.

http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/618/Respect.htm

 

[junius]

So let me get this straight:

a person on election for the first time becomes a Lib Dem cabinet member earning 40k a year; he is selected as parliamentary candidate for a seat he has no chance of winning, but increases the LibDem vote by 30+%; he then refuses to compromise over giving grants to a poorly performing pet organisation led by another LibDem councillor and is removed from his position. He then resigns from the party, sitting as an independent for six months, before trying to join a group that has no councillors, as a CAREER MOVE because all he's interested in his CAREER?

Yep!

http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/618/Respect.html

You're clearly a good socialist. Don't get brought down by all this Respect propaganda. It's popular frontist bollocks.

 

[JHE]

That's an interesting article - and quite funny.

 

[nwnm]

usual bollocks from the MI5 Gazzette.... I think the editor's the scottish bloke off "Dad's Army" "if you don't reforge the communist party we're doomed. Doomed I tell yer......"

 

[JHE]

usual bollocks...

Did they make up all those quotes from Cllr Talib Hussain? (No, I don't think they did either.)

 

[Macullam]

usual bollocks from the MI5 Gazzette.... I think the editor's the scottish bloke off "Dad's Army" "if you don't reforge the communist party we're doomed. Doomed I tell yer......"

generally I would agree re the content of the WW this however is an interview not the usual fabrication. Or do we expect a writ from GG to follow.

 

[nwnm]

not so much an interview as a hand full of quotes mixed with a heavy dollop of weakly wanker conjecture (or whats more commonly known as vommit). What exactly does it 'prove' - someone joined RESPECT and decided to leave as it didn't appear to fit completely with their world view (difficult to find one that does 100%). Earth shattering stuff. RESPECT as an organisation doesn't fit with WW's world view at all - maybe they should follow his example

 

[JHE]

Respec's 'world view'

 

[Kidda]

" a cunts a cunts a cunt" well thats your credentials sorted out then.....

mwah x

 

[JHE]

There is no article on Respec's website reporting Cllr Hussain's change of mind. Instead, the original article proudly reporting the ex-Lib Dem's defection to Respec' has been removed. Another one down the memory hole!

 

[nwnm]

so now there's a pair of cunts - thought of changing your names to blair 'n' brown then?

 

[JHE]

The cadre speaks

"I'm boooored, you tossers! You only got one brain cell. Na na naaah!"

 

[JHE]

It wouldn't go down well at the mosque, you know.

 

[JTG]

you know, the debating level of the respect kiddies on here leaves me with even less, erm, respect for them than I had already.

'cunt!' 'wanker!'

 

[nwnm]

as you never had any I'm not that bothered - tosser