Discussion in 'Dulwich Hamlet FC' started by YTC, Mar 2, 2017.
The poor man's Frank Lampard.
Leave Frankie out of this
Was in the year above me in school, will say what I want!
Indeed. The hope the club continues line is telling. Their supporters appear to be largely in denial on social media.
Can't wait to hear Mark Baker's take on this.
Without knowing the inside story I am guessing what has happened here is a convergence of problems for Glenn. Having told the Billericay fans to bet on the team winning the division only two months ago it has finally dawned on him that buying the league is not as easy as he thought. The sacking of Wheeler is a repetition of his past behaviour and his family and friends must have recognised this as a sign of his poor mental health. They must have advised him to walk away from the unsustainable financial burden and the family abuse. The decision to pull the plug seems to have been made on the spur of the moment or he would have left the manager in place. The sale of the house and winding up yet another steel business suggests deeper financial problems perhaps a hefty tax bill. I hope BTFC continue to exist for their true fans. Waldren would not have been their most expensive player so what is happening with Parks & Robinson?
Just two and a half short years ago. Had genuinely forgotten about this and how staggeringly unhinged it was.
Robinson's on his way.
Is Archie available? #announcearchie
I actually feel for the kid because by all accounts he's not an awful player, just probably would do much better in a team at step 4 / u18 playing because he loves it, not because of who fathered him.
Remains one of the most jawdropping things I’ve seen. Is that Archie Tamplin there bearing witness to his father shouting that a non league football match is “war”?
Oh, hadn't thought of that. Could well be.
I simply couldn't work for such an appalling individual no matter how much money he offered me, and I'm still genuinely amazed that so many people take his money. I'd have zero self respect. It's not as if any of those players couldn't get a decent offer (obviously not as much) from other clubs.
I think it's easy to say that, but if you're a footballer going from job to job, with potentially not much waiting for you after you hang up your boots in a few years, and you have a family to support, and a guy comes along and offers you a contract for ridiculous money way above what you'd normally expect to earn, and it might just be for a year anyway so there's not really any risk involved in taking the chance and seeing how it pans out, and you might even enjoy it... I don't think it's that hard to see why a lot of players would say yes.
I don't really see what people's issue is with Danny Waldren either. I always liked him while he was with us and he seemed to have a good attitude (I remember at the play-off final at East Thurrock, he spent the whole match encouraging the team from the sidelines, despite the fact that he'd basically been frozen out of the side). If he honestly enjoyed his time at Billericay and managed to pocket a bit of money from it for him and his family, and now that he's leaving he wants to do it on a good note, then fair play to him. I don't really see the players as the bad guys in these situations.
Off you pop to Qatar then, money is good there, and hey it might even be fun!
That's a really bizarre response.
Why? You think that if you are footballer with not much waiting for you, which is bizarre as it is, why would a footballer have less waiting for them than anyone else? If anything they will have more, especially the ones that are at part time clubs.
And you don't care about the behaviour / morality of your boss?
So its not a leap to justify the behaviour of footballers that go and play in places for monetary gain ignoring the behaviour of their ultimate bosses. i.e. like footballers that play in Qatar.
Doesn't seem bizarre to me!
Maybe you spent your career working for people like Glenn Tamplin!
Well, my point is that footballers generally stop being footballers in their 30s. They have a short window during which they can play and, if they want to make some money from it then they have limited opportunities to do that. I don't need to have anything waiting for me because I have a career that, hopefully, can continue throughout my working life. And because of that I'm not looking to relocate, and I'm not especially driven by money because my earning potential isn't going to suddenly vanish if I hurt my leg or hit a certain age. But if I was a jobbing 30-ish-year-old footballer of average ability who wasn't making much money and I suddenly got the chance to make a lot more? Sure, I'd be interested. You honestly don't see any difference?
I used to work in admin, now I work in IT. I switched when I was 32. No I don't see any difference, and I don't see many part time footballers in the National League South not "making much money".
Footballers can justify their actions anyway they want and so can you, but a lot of people prefer to choose the people they work for with care.
I wouldn't work for a terrible boss for any money, as I prefer happiness over money. Their and your call to choose differently, but its a mistake.
It's not necessarily an issue of one or the other.
Years ago we lost a player on good money by our then standards to a Southern League team. They doubled his money. His next move saw him paid nearly four times as much as the Southern League team paid him. He was employed by a club who were a bit of a BTFC at the time. He also earned more money from them by putting up a team-mate or two on Friday night before home matches as they lived in places as local as West Wales and Doncaster. He also had a good full time job but was earning far more from football than his job.
The money man walked out of the club and joined another. The player publicly criticised him but 24 or so hours later he moved to the same club. He secured another big pay rise for doing do.
He didn't enjoy playing under this man. The player was one of the most fan friendly players I have known. The money man banned his players from mixing with the fans. He didn't have a high opinion of him as a manger. Basically the players managed themselves and ignored him. Which may well have happened at points at BTFC.
However; working for those two clubs allowed him to clear his mortgage down on a house in a decent bit of London at a ludicrously young age. He bit the bullet to ensure he had the best chance of future happiness - mortgage free so he could chase his dreams rather than work the 9 - 5 which he has now done. He also planned on retiring very young to allow him to travel etc when hopefully in good health.
Was what he did a mistake? Personally, I'd probably have done the same.
Here is #rickerty's new manager doing something strange! Lol
Not if gaining wealth is his main driving force in life. But if I was a footballer working under a a manager I hated and he told me to stop mixing with the fans - the people who support me and pay my wages - I'd tell the cunt to fuck right off. If it boiled down to extra money for me vs showing respect to the fans, I'd always choose the latter.
I crack up at these people who put their life on hold to live it later, seems a gamble to me and the house always wins in the end.
The #skidmark is not happy
You don’t know what to believe mate, best just to stay quiet. But that statement..if it was results and poor performances that was the issue...which was fair enough...why wouldn’t you just announce that in the first place..that statement stinks.
His driving force was to put himself into a financial position whereby he could chase his dreams without putting his family's security at risk.
His dream was to get into football as a living, working in the youth side of the sport.
He now works in quite a senior position in the youth set up at a Premier League club.
Playing three or so seasons at two high paying clubs enabled him to take the initial gamble of throwing in his well paying full time job and making the leap into youth football as a career. Whist I don't know for certain, I bet he took a big pay cut when he made the initial step across. Hardly the actions of a man who has gaining wealth as his main driving force.
From how I see it, playing football is the dream, so surely it's best to get the most enjoyment out of this short career as possible rather than sour the experience by having to work for a person you hate under conditions you hate and be forcibly prevented from mixing with the people who are supporting you?
There's plenty of new careers available once the football dream is over, but I'd rather look back on happy memories from that time rather than the financial earnings (although ideally, I'd have both!).
I think the player had a slightly different approach.
His dream had been to be a pro and he was on a Premier League club's books for several years in the youth set up. Truth be told - by his own admission - he wasn't quite good enough. He did proceed to make a very good career in non-league football by maximising every drop of talent he had. He'd be the first to admit he wasn't the most naturally gifted player.
Throughout his career he wasn't impressed by talented players who blew it by a lack of application. One of his DHFC team mates was at the same Premier League youth set up and blew it by life style choices. Whilst perhaps never a Premier League player, that lad should have been a pro. They guy now at a Premier League club could never understand that lad's approach to football. I remember the pain in his voice at an F.A. Cup game, we'd conceded a last minute equaliser, when he said the lad concerned had been out clubbing until stupid o'clock that morning.
Having failed to make it in the pro game, non-league wasn't his dream. It was a route that opened up the possibility of going on to fulfill his dreams of a career in professional football after he retired.
If only self-righteousness paid the bills.
I'm pretty sure I recognise the player you mean, and he is/was one of the nicest men in football, if it's the one I'm thinking of.
He certainly was and yes, you almost certainly do know who I mean. I've kept names out of it as it's a general point being debated rather than a specific incident. His parents were top people too
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