Are the bilderburg really running the show? Is there a new world order in the pipe line? I dont know.
Bilderburg Group
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Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
*subscribes*
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
Lizards all the way down.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
It's turtles all the way down.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281
Obama = Hitler :-0,;-)
Obama = Hitler :-0,;-)
The Bilderberg aint a secret and there's nuff evidence of it's existence and intentions for Empire.
It's just globalisation aint it, similar to the G8 linking up, etc. There's nothing odd about it. It's just global imperialism aint it?
I agree with what Taff said earlier about the New World Order being a blind spot for certain people. I know nuff anti-NWO, for want of a better phrase, activists that are self-defined Anarchists, Anti-Capitalists, Anti-all forms of oppression and coercion/exploitation, etc.
I really think we should talk more.
x
It's just globalisation aint it, similar to the G8 linking up, etc. There's nothing odd about it. It's just global imperialism aint it?
I agree with what Taff said earlier about the New World Order being a blind spot for certain people. I know nuff anti-NWO, for want of a better phrase, activists that are self-defined Anarchists, Anti-Capitalists, Anti-all forms of oppression and coercion/exploitation, etc.
I really think we should talk more.
x
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
Holding sharks with bees in their mouths.
xes
F.O.A.D
kind of my take on it. IF "the big conspiracy" (I'm talking the big big one,not just the NWO) is right. Then there's enough people willing to stand and fight,to take them down.
When (if) the army march down my street,they wont take me alive.
kavenism
Progressive misanthrope
Hope-Nosis!! I HAVE to get that phrase into a conversation during my new years party tomorrow.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Bildeberg dont "run the show" especially. Im sure they would like to, or would like to think they do. But things can go wrong and there are other elites that dont neccessarily overlap with them.
However, they do make a lot of decisions that shape things along with the likes of CFR and Tri Lateral Commission.
There are broader issues about their history, what their intentions are etc. and Im not even sure "NWO" is helpful terminology (although it used a lot by individuals - Kissinger did it again yesterday)
But we can be sure that they are unelected, unaccountable and very powerful. We ignore them at our peril.
Jonezy
"I know nuff anti-NWO, for want of a better phrase, activists that are self-defined Anarchists, Anti-Capitalists, Anti-all forms of oppression and coercion/exploitation, etc."
Me too. Anti NWO campaigning shouldnt be the sole preserve of people like the paleocons, survivalists and militias.
However, they do make a lot of decisions that shape things along with the likes of CFR and Tri Lateral Commission.
There are broader issues about their history, what their intentions are etc. and Im not even sure "NWO" is helpful terminology (although it used a lot by individuals - Kissinger did it again yesterday)
But we can be sure that they are unelected, unaccountable and very powerful. We ignore them at our peril.
Jonezy
"I know nuff anti-NWO, for want of a better phrase, activists that are self-defined Anarchists, Anti-Capitalists, Anti-all forms of oppression and coercion/exploitation, etc."
Me too. Anti NWO campaigning shouldnt be the sole preserve of people like the paleocons, survivalists and militias.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
An oldish but good primer piece on the subject from a left perspective
https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/01/303652.html
https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/01/303652.html
ska invita
back on the other side
Take out the conspiraloon hyperbole and there isnt much to disagree with there: the NaZi's wrote the rule book on modern politics, and you could easily argue that Goebbels has been the single most influential person in the last 100 years - the propaganda techniques developed under his control are all pervasive in all modern global communications formats.
To be fair to Icke his "Obama = Hitler" analogy was that Obama used a form of mass rhetoric, devoid of meaning, but full of symbolic and emotional content, a la the NaZi propaganda model. That's true of all US elections going back decades now, but it has become a fine art in the dumded down years we live in.
As to the stuff about Zbigniew Brzezinski, Ive been banging on about this to anyone who will isten for a while now -
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=269270
though Im a bit embaressed to have Icke's endorsement!
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I aksed before but you ducked the question - who are the *good* anti-NWO campaigners that you're talking about? Give me some examples of who you mean.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
You could if you knew nothing of the history of marketing in the C20th, not to mention having never read The Prince, or studied the history of oratory or communication. Goebbels, like much the Nazis did, invented almost nothing new, but was a genius at refining techniques originally used by the Vatican in the previous 1000 years (indeed, much of the anti-Jewish propaganda and imagery was lifted directly from Germanic woodcut images from the C13/14), as indeed did the Soviet propaganda machine under Stalin.
The most recent update to the pantheon of media manipulation and propaganda techniques have come from the Republican Party in the US, specifically Rove and Zogby, who pioneered contemporary spin techniques, focus grouping and the most important thing, so-called 'wedge issue' politics, where you poll and act intensively at a local level to uncover and create 'wedges' over the smallest possible issues.
The 'rule books' on all statecraft., not just communications, are called The Art of War and The Prince, and nothing written since has actually added to their principles, only refined them as technology has developed, and altered the emphasis placed on difference aspects of them depending on specific cultural needs.
Goebbels had it easy - he had complete, direct control over the media. What Rove achieved was far more complex, and far more insidious than simple totalitarian message management.
winjer
holocene death beat
Evidence please, point to one decision that was made at a Bilderberg meeting.
Their protocols?
winjer
holocene death beat
It's crap - he's a cunt alright, but he's just one among many, suggestions he's the power behind the throne are typical of the kind of personality cult he thrives on, and help reinforce the idea he's an expert.
Exposing the political motivations and results of US foreign policy is far more useful than lizard-wrangling
Did anyone see the Ron Jonson show on the "Bilderberg group" interestingly enough he interviewed some members back in Britain.
I think it was on this when he interviewed one of our ex-amabassadors or something who was a member.
This guy was kinda taking the piss out of Kissinger who he decribed as basically thriving on the "secrecy" of it and running around with his gang of security goons.
He did come across as a right elitist cunt though. That's the problem with it though, it's a little club for the CEOs and political types to get together away from the media spotlight, where they can't be quoted.
I've also read that Kissinger went mental at Conrad Black at one of the meetings back in 90's has he attracted too much press coverage towards it.
I think it was on this when he interviewed one of our ex-amabassadors or something who was a member.
This guy was kinda taking the piss out of Kissinger who he decribed as basically thriving on the "secrecy" of it and running around with his gang of security goons.
He did come across as a right elitist cunt though. That's the problem with it though, it's a little club for the CEOs and political types to get together away from the media spotlight, where they can't be quoted.
I've also read that Kissinger went mental at Conrad Black at one of the meetings back in 90's has he attracted too much press coverage towards it.
Not really read much on the subject other then a book by a guy called Daniel Estulin. I'm not aware of any dodgy* history surrounding him. He goes into his bio in the book I read i.e. grandson of a KGB agent, forced to flee the USSR to Canada as his father was a pro-democracy dissident.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Estulin
I did notice the wiki article mentions that he had worked with that Big Jim Tucker guy though who was on the Ron Jonson show (apparently the newspaper he had worked at or something was noted for being dodgy/far right/conspiroloon) so who knows whether Estulin is a nut or not, but his book didn't read that way.
* Neo-Nazi, Jew-basher, Lizard chaser, Alien hunter etc.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Not being funny, but I'm not convinced that an event where a no-mark like Andrew Neill gets a regular invite is planning how to rule the world, or at least a part of it.
Besides, anyone got any info on similar groups in China/SE Asia/India/South America etc? They've all got elites, and there are more billionaires in India than the Bilderberg guest list...
Besides, anyone got any info on similar groups in China/SE Asia/India/South America etc? They've all got elites, and there are more billionaires in India than the Bilderberg guest list...
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Individuals I know, the likes that Jonezy mentions as well. Not enough actual campaigning but then there never is.
It depends on definitions - if one considers the banking and capitalist system to be a symptom of NWO then there are a great many groups on the left opposed to them.
Likewise civil liberties campaigners.
winjer
holocene death beat
His claim that Ron Paul was popular enough to be considered a threat suggests he's a fantasist, and his claim that US foreign policy is secondary to Israel's security suggests he's an antisemite, and he happily works for antisemites. Three strikes.
The Spotlight, and its successor the American Free Press were founded and are run by holocaust deniers. Scum.
Voley
🐭
Ahh that must have been what Ron Jonson was meaning in the TV show I saw.
As for Estulin, as I said other then the book I read about him I know very little. I wouldn't say that commenting that the US foreign policy being entangled with Israel's is necessarily anti-semitic (most people can differentiate between the state of Israel and its behaviour, and Jewish people in general, many of which are appauled at the behaviour of the IDF), after all look at the current mess in Gaza, and the US has not exactly come out and condemed the behaviour of the Israeli government.
However yes, if the company he keeps is holocaust deniers and such like, it undermines any work he has done, even if it contains elements of truth. The problem with the whole Bilderberg thing, is because it has been largely ignored by the left it seems to have become associated with the nuts and what have you out there.
However I see it as part of the same problem as the G8, WTO, IMF etc. it's just another piece in the puzzle that needs to be opposed, especially as it seems to be conducted like some little secret jolly up with no public scruitiny.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So basically anyone you like then, making the term rather redundant.
winjer
holocene death beat
He doesn't say entangled, he says subordinate. I didn't assume he was an anti-semite because he hangs around with them, I checked his work and found that he repeats their ideas, I really can't be bothered to find whether that's because he's stupid or an anti-semite himself.
No, the problem with the whole Bilderberg thing is that none of the anti-semites who go on and on about how it runs the world can ever come up with a decent argument about why it should be of any interest to the left unless it is all about the joooooooooooooooooos.
Various organisations and people openly 'run the world' and 'control the media', why should anybody give a fuck whether they do it by phone, email or in a luxury hotel?
G8 and WTO summits receive attention because the G8 and WTO use them as PR exercises, they don't need them to make decisions.
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