butchersapron
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Demonstrate away. What has this got to do with me and my life?
Bildeburg 2008 : June 6th to 9th, Virginia US : Do YOU care?
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Demonstrate away. What has this got to do with me and my life?
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Another strawman. I dealt with the "anti semite" distraction up thread.
You, and it seems Butchers seem to think it doesnt matter.
You said we should focus on issues like war etc.
I retorted that these are the exact issues that will be discussed in detail by key players at Bildeburg.
That is why I think you should care.
My comparisson is the G8. It has not been dealt with.
Most of what has been churned out so far, basically in aquiessence to this group, is tired cliche.
taffboy gwyrdd
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I dont know. Not much if you live on a self sufficient commune. Quite a lot if you are in any serious way hooked up to the global economy.
taffboy gwyrdd
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But...but! Read the protocols of the elders of zion, it should tell you all you need to know. It might be a forgery but it relates rather well to whats going on now, dont you think?
Yes it is a forgery. A distraction. No I wont be reading it.
I'll judge whats happening by doing my best to look at the evidence, not by resorting to hand-me-down stereotypes.
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
And my point is that the people "opposing" this aren't the people you want to think they are, they're nationalist populists who rather closer to the government than they want people like you to think as the dubai thing shows.
Its bread and circuses.
Any website that mentions bilderberg in a serious manner always, without exception, is host to some pretty extreme anti-semitism.
butchersapron
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Tell me then. Tell me how it effects me and why i should care. Don't just post up a link and some assumptions. Tell me.
taffboy gwyrdd
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FrogWoman
"And my point is that the people "opposing" this aren't the people you want to think they are, they're nationalist populists who rather closer to the government than they want people like you to think as the dubai thing shows."
I do know who they are. but I oppose it too, but am very far from those politics. I dont see it as a mutally exclusive option.
"Its bread and circuses"
Well, possibly. But the bread and circuses is there in spades elsewhere and this would be bread and circuses they try to keep as quiet as possible. Which seems weird.
"Any website that mentions bilderberg in a serious manner always, without exception, is host to some pretty extreme anti-semitism."
I dont honestly know if that's true but I expect extremist minorities pollute many websites on many issues.
Are Murdoch and Gates Jewish? All recent British PMs have attended Bildeburg, often before they became PMs. How many are Jewish. Bildeburg was founded by the Dutch Royalty. are they Jewish? Am I missing something?
Can you contradict what I said upthread, that the proportion of Jewish people there will probably be a small minority? And you can bet if they are there it wont be because of their supposed religious faith.
If I criticised a person of Jewish stock it would be one thing to groundlessly call me anti-semetic. Quite a stupid thing, but it does happen.
But when it gets to being called anti-semite for criticising people who ARENT EVEN JEWISH! - we are into bizzare levels of doublethink.
"And my point is that the people "opposing" this aren't the people you want to think they are, they're nationalist populists who rather closer to the government than they want people like you to think as the dubai thing shows."
I do know who they are. but I oppose it too, but am very far from those politics. I dont see it as a mutally exclusive option.
"Its bread and circuses"
Well, possibly. But the bread and circuses is there in spades elsewhere and this would be bread and circuses they try to keep as quiet as possible. Which seems weird.
"Any website that mentions bilderberg in a serious manner always, without exception, is host to some pretty extreme anti-semitism."
I dont honestly know if that's true but I expect extremist minorities pollute many websites on many issues.
Are Murdoch and Gates Jewish? All recent British PMs have attended Bildeburg, often before they became PMs. How many are Jewish. Bildeburg was founded by the Dutch Royalty. are they Jewish? Am I missing something?
Can you contradict what I said upthread, that the proportion of Jewish people there will probably be a small minority? And you can bet if they are there it wont be because of their supposed religious faith.
If I criticised a person of Jewish stock it would be one thing to groundlessly call me anti-semetic. Quite a stupid thing, but it does happen.
But when it gets to being called anti-semite for criticising people who ARENT EVEN JEWISH! - we are into bizzare levels of doublethink.
butchersapron
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Sounds quite, you know.....have you an invite?
taffboy gwyrdd
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That is
a) not evidenced
b) To do with an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT EVENT.
Why not go and post something about the food crisis on a thread about the Chinese earthquake while you're still up.
butchersapron
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Tell me how it effects me and why i should care.
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
Then why don't you stop reading and pay attentuon to the source, not just the messge.
Think about who would want to play up this crap into a bigger deal than it is and why.
Charlatans like David Icke trying to sell their books and Bush's welathy buddies on the Christian right, plus an assortment of neo-Nazis and people who are just mad.
Think about who would want to promote the idea of a shadowy conspiracy of world leaders and big business with a Jewish sounding name rather than focus on the substantiated and serious crimes of these people and the system that sustains it.
"Its bread and circuses"
Of course the government dont mention it much they are happy to let it discredit itself - and any alternative to the current system. But how come there is a plethora of material about it all bollocks and passing for serious "alternative" debate.
Jeff Rense, ALex Jones and David Icke all promote extreme anti-semitism and even holocaust denial and apologies for Hitler. It can't be an extremist minority promoting this issue if every site and every book which has been published about it which talks about this as having world importance, without exception talks about "Talmudists" and repeat age old myths about the Protocols or links directly to a hardcore fascist site.
So oppose the system that allows these people power. Bilderberg is a talking shop. Nothing more nothing less.
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
I don't think you're an anti-semite btw. Never called you that. That's not the same as pointing out that the people who have a interest in making this crap something different and something better than it is have an interest, be it ideaological or economic, in creating populist anti-semitism.
taffboy gwyrdd
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I already did. I said that if you live a life entirely independent of the global economy then it doesnt really effect you. Otherwise it does. I accept you may be being deliberately obtuse, along the lines that key macrolevel global political / econmic decisions dont affect you. That would probably be something for an entirely different thread.
butchersapron
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No you didn't- you alluded to some vague global stuff. Tell me WHY i should care. Don't tell me that i'm enmeshed in a global system. Tell me how this effects ME. Make me care. because if i don't give a fuck where else do you think you're going with this?
taffboy gwyrdd
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No, you didnt call me that and I wasnt meaning to say you did.
I said "IF" blah-blah.
I think some opponents of Bildeburg are anti-semite, and many arent.
I still fail to see why it would be anti-semetic to oppose a group that isnt especially semitic in its make up.
And the role of so many of the elite in supporting the nazis back in the day makes it all an even stranger thought.
taffboy gwyrdd
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If you are emeshed in a global system, I would think it does affect you. Because it is you are who emeshed you see. That's logic that is.
butchersapron
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How, How does it effect me and why is it because of bilderberg?
This is basic. If you can't tell me this then you're fucked.
taffboy gwyrdd
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The "Jewish sounding name" is after the name of the hotel it was first held at, as you probably know. No mystery. No conspiracy.
Here's another piece of clunky non-logic:
1) X is opposed to the operations of the global banking system
2) Some bankers are Jewish
3) Therefore X is anti-Jew.
Er...no points for that answer. I wish we taught philosophy to kids like the French do.
Bloody hell, how often do supporters of the Palestinians have to go round and round and round that one?
FrogWoman
We are going round in circles.
I KNOW many of the opponents are bad news. You really dont have to tell me. It doesnt therefore equate that Bildeburg is good news.
That's just more bad logic.
Here's another piece of clunky non-logic:
1) X is opposed to the operations of the global banking system
2) Some bankers are Jewish
3) Therefore X is anti-Jew.
Er...no points for that answer. I wish we taught philosophy to kids like the French do.
Bloody hell, how often do supporters of the Palestinians have to go round and round and round that one?
FrogWoman
We are going round in circles.
I KNOW many of the opponents are bad news. You really dont have to tell me. It doesnt therefore equate that Bildeburg is good news.
That's just more bad logic.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Tell me how it effects me and why i should care.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
I don't know what this organisation really does behind closed doors, but i find it interested to watch the reactions of some people who are happy to be sceptical of governments and their leaders, except when they all get together in secret to discuss who knows what - which illicits a response of
"And so what?"
Thank goodness they are all good people eh?
"And so what?"
Thank goodness they are all good people eh?
butchersapron
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Tell me how it effects me and why i should care.
I think that most conspiracy theories are designed by some shadowy elite to throw us off the beaten track regarding what acually is going on in the world.
Surely we can already plainly see who is bombing the fuck out of who without having to go down the road of thinking it's all being organised by santa clause for people rejecting the true message of consumerist Christmas.
Surely we can already plainly see who is bombing the fuck out of who without having to go down the road of thinking it's all being organised by santa clause for people rejecting the true message of consumerist Christmas.
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