Bikes on pavements again - but this time it's topical!

[chainsaw cat]

Your toddler could have been hit by a shopping trolley at walking speed and the result could conceivably been the same (both metal, both heavy etc). QED ban shopping trolleys!

No, riding bikes on the pavement is already illegal because it's such a bad idea.

Unless you listen to the U75 bike riders who think it's a good idea, by and large, because (and I paraphrase from an earlier thread on this) they are too scared or in too much of a hurry to obey the law and would rather transfer their risk to pedestrians than forego their beloved bikes.

 

[scifisam]

Aimed at you, you fucking arsehole? Why'd I aim anything at you?

Er, this is what you said:

Ah, but then I'm not a cyclist; merely one of those cunts you manage to run into.

Aimed at me, yeah.

You are a very odd person indeed.

@Chainsaw Cat: I do think cycling on most pavements is stupid and dangerous. But others should be made into legal cycle/pedestrian shared paths, because pedestrians use them so little and they're so wide.

 

[Urbanblues]

Excellent - that makes it easy to ram a brolly into the spokes of the vehicle that shouldn't be there.

You could try that if you so wished you cunt; however, I'd then insert the same brolly up your scraggy arse, open it, and give you a fucking good reaming.

 

[Urbanblues]

You are a very odd person indeed.

Possibly. Yet, it's only arrogant cunt cyclists that feel that way; I get on with pretty much every one else.

 

[scifisam]

Possibly. Yet, it's only arrogant cunt cyclists that feel that way; I get on with pretty much every one else.

I think we get on on other threads. When it comes to this topic, you are odd, or maybe you're just using up your daily quota of swearwords or something.

 

[chainsaw cat]

Er, this is what you said:



Aimed at me, yeah.

You are a very odd person indeed.

@Chainsaw Cat: I do think cycling on most pavements is stupid and dangerous. But others should be made into legal cycle/pedestrian shared paths, because pedestrians use them so little and they're so wide.

Clearly an idea formed largely from win, as long as they are subjected to a good level of safety design rather than just painted on by dense councillors.

I.E. account taken of blind corners, doorways, road furniture etc.

 

[scifisam]

Clearly an idea formed largely from win, as long as they are subjected to a good level of safety design rather than just painted on by dense councillors.

I.E. account taken of blind corners, doorways, road furniture etc.

Yep. But there are tons of pavements where it could be easily done.

Of course, you'd still have the problem of pedestrians walking in the cycle paths - I have to remind my daughter every single time we're walking next to one, and she finds it hard to remember because so many other people are doing it wrong. Maybe if they were more common, people would get used to them.

 

[Urbanblues]

I think we get on on other threads. When it comes to this topic, you are odd, or maybe you're just using up your daily quota of swearwords or something.

No seriously, I find most of the U75 cycling fraternity self-centred selfish ‘I’ll-run-red-lights-and-cycle-where-the-hell
-I-wish-and-I’ll-do-so-because-motorists-are-horrid
-to-me-and-anyway-its-safer-to-ride-on-pavements
-even-if-we-do-injure-or-even-kill-pedestrians’ attitude a wee tad galling.

If I’ve upset any cyclist in the making of my comments; please, feel free to mow me down – it wouldn’t be the first time.

 

[scifisam]

I'm not upset, personally, except that you gave Cobbles a more inventive insult than me.

But there are only a few cyclists on here who are like that, and they're usually told to fuck off by other cyclists who are pissed off with the two-wheeled trolls making everyone else look bad. Still, if you get hit regularly due to having to walk slowly, I can understand you getting pissed off, maybe.

 

[Urbanblues]

There are several cycle paths in the proximity of my home; and, I respect these spaces – even though I’m on wheels, I wouldn’t dream of invading the paths. The reason I’d not invade cycle paths is because my slowness would selfishly hold up other traffic; and, for this reason I’m against cyclists riding on undesignated pavements – because, I can’t react quick enough to get out of their way.

 

[Urbanblues]

I'm not upset, personally, except that you gave Cobbles a more inventive insult than me.

But there are only a few cyclists on here who are like that, and they're usually told to fuck off by other cyclists who are pissed off with the two-wheeled trolls making everyone else look bad. Still, if you get hit regularly due to having to walk slowly, I can understand you getting pissed off, maybe.

When I walked on pavements a few years ago, my pace was very slow; lucky if I could manage 1mph. On two occasions I was struck by pavement cyclists; fortunately, I came out relatively unscathed – one cyclist had his machine well and truly mashed.

 

[nino_savatte]

No, riding bikes on the pavement is already illegal because it's such a bad idea.

Unless you listen to the U75 bike riders who think it's a good idea, by and large, because (and I paraphrase from an earlier thread on this) they are too scared or in too much of a hurry to obey the law and would rather transfer their risk to pedestrians than forego their beloved bikes.

This is the only country in Europe (possibly the world) where pavement cycling is illegal. What does that say about attitudes to cycling and cyclists in this country?

Tbh, I'm surprised they had the prelude to the Tour de France in this country last year, given the clear anti-cycling prejudice that exists.

 

[gentlegreen]

I reckon it's jealousy.

 

[tommers]

Aimed at you, you fucking arsehole? Why'd I aim anything at you?

I always think that your posts should be written in green ink.

And then i wonder if your monitor is covered in spittle.

Happens every time.

 

[Urbanblues]

I always think that your posts should be written in green ink.

And then i wonder if your monitor is covered in spittle.

Happens every time.

There, I'll indulge your strange fantasy.

 

[Urbanblues]

This is the only country in Europe (possibly the world) where pavement cycling is illegal. What does that say about attitudes to cycling and cyclists in this country?

Tbh, I'm surprised they had the prelude to the Tour de France in this country last year, given the clear anti-cycling prejudice that exists.

Oh dear, you do so love missing the point. As you state pavement cycling is illegal; that’s the point. When sections of pavement become designated cycle paths, it becomes unillegal, or even legal; it’s at that point me and people like me stop moaning at people like you. Capice? It ain’t that fucking difficult a concept to grasp; get out there and lobby for more cycle paths, instead of mowing down unsuspecting pedestrians.

Ok, ok I too dislike horrible motorists and their infernal machines.

 

[Structaural]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topsto...ned-over-teenage-girl-s-death-89520-20636628/

So, are you mad pavement cruisers, redlight jumpers and on-bike phoners going to slow down a bit and sort your act out?


Ding ding round one.

What a cunt - we need to stop all this 'dangerous driving' and 'dangerous cycling' crap.
It's fucking manslaughter. Poor girl, poor mother.

 

[Structaural]

Instant fine in Holland for pavement cycling. But then there's no excuse here really.

 

[nino_savatte]

From how I read it those statistics prove that cyclists are a more dangerous element than car drivers!

LOL!!!!

 

[Mrs Miggins]

There really is just no getting through to some people is there?

Yes, Urbanblues, I am thoroughly bored of this ludicrous debate and will ignore these ridiculous threads from now on.

Throughly sick of the knee-jerk "some cyclists behave badly ergo all cyclists are cunts" reactions from people like yourself who clearly just have some sort of axe to grind against people on bikes.

 

[nino_savatte]

There really is just no getting through to some people is there?

Nope. I'm currently a cyclist trainer and the numbers of ignorant and dangerous motorists I see is staggering. Likewise the numbers of idiot cyclists. The trouble is that there is a hard core anti-cycling culture in this country that is supported by motorist groups (like the AA) and sympathetic journalists.

 

[Mrs Miggins]

...The trouble is that there is a hard core anti-cycling culture in this country ...

Why is this? This is what I just don't understand.
And is it countrywide? Or mainly just in London where the majority of road users just seem generally pissed off and need a whipping boy?

 

[nino_savatte]

Why is this? This is what I just don't understand.
And is it countrywide? Or mainly just in London where the majority of road users just seem generally pissed off and need a whipping boy?

I think it all began in the 1950's when car ownership increased. Ever since, cycling has been seen as "poor man's transport". I think this attitude to cyclists is countrywide and can often be reflected in a local authority's cycling policies. Tameside Council, for example, has poorly signed and located cycle routes and, afaik, doesn't actually offer a great deal of cycle training to schools.

 

[Mrs Miggins]

I think it all began in the 1950's when car ownership increased. Ever since, cycling has been seen as "poor man's transport". I think this attitude to cyclists is countrywide and can often be reflected in a local authority's cycling policies. Tameside Council, for example, has poorly signed and located cycle routes and, afaik, doesn't actually offer a great deal of cycle training to schools.

Hmmm...interesting....I think you're probably right about the "poor man's transport" aspect.

I do think that in London in particular, what winds people up is that cyclist have a lot of freedom (which they often abuse) that car drivers don't have because they are stuck in jams and pedestrians don't have because they're not as quick and are at the mercy of overcrowded public transport.

Do you think in other parts of the country people get so bloody wound up about it though? I know when I go back to *ahem* Cleethorpes, nobody seems bothered at all by bikes. Also, people I know who cycle there seem aghast at the very notion of going through red lights...

 

[tommers]

I'm glad to hear that if I decide to mow down a crowd of pedestrians, the magic words, "move, because I'm not stopping" instantly reduce the seriousness of the crime to a trivial 2K slap on the wrist as opposed to a jail sentence.​

or drive a lorry and get it for a tenth of the price (and drive home)

 

[Cobbles]

or drive a lorry and get it for a tenth of the price (and drive home)

BUT the cyclist didn't get any points (but then he didn't have to get a licence and prove his fitness to co-exist with other road/pedestrian users). Hopefully he'll have general 3rd party liability cover on a contents policy (as opposed to mandatory coverage) so that when he's sued there'll be some prospect of cash.

 

[tommers]

BUT the cyclist didn't get any points (but then he didn't have to get a licence and prove his fitness to co-exist with other road/pedestrian users). Hopefully he'll have general 3rd party liability cover on a contents policy (as opposed to mandatory coverage) so that when he's sued there'll be some prospect of cash.

righhttt... is that a fair and just punishment for the lorry driver then?

 

[Structaural]

or drive a lorry and get it for a tenth of the price (and drive home)

Unbelievable

 

[Spymaster]

Who the Hell has denied that a small minority of cyclists are twats too?

"Small minority" my arse.

The vast majority of London cyclists are untrained, unqualified, untalented, uninsured pricks, imo.

I'm now operating a zero tolerence policy towards dangerous cyclists and the next one to come anywhere near me on a pavement is getting his/her spokes kicked in.

The cunt referred to in the OP should have got 10 years.

 

[nino_savatte]

Hmmm...interesting....I think you're probably right about the "poor man's transport" aspect.

I do think that in London in particular, what winds people up is that cyclist have a lot of freedom (which they often abuse) that car drivers don't have because they are stuck in jams and pedestrians don't have because they're not as quick and are at the mercy of overcrowded public transport.

Do you think in other parts of the country people get so bloody wound up about it though? I know when I go back to *ahem* Cleethorpes, nobody seems bothered at all by bikes. Also, people I know who cycle there seem aghast at the very notion of going through red lights...

I agree that anti-cycling sentiment is probably strongest in London. The average speed of London traffic is around 2mph ...a bike can often go faster than that. I think a lot of motorists who see us overtaking stationary traffic in a bus lane get resentful. But if they feel that bad about it, why don't they get out of their cars and onto bikes?

There are cyclists who routinely run through red lights but not all cyclists (myself included) do this. It's a dangerous practice that should be avoided at all costs.

Tameside is in Greater Manchester btw.