but it does say he shouted that at the top of the road so why didn't they move out of the road? i can appreciate he was probably reckless but so often i'm travelling along a road when people wander into it and i've found myself shouting 'get out of the way' because i feel that braking or swerving would endanger me. i've never gone straight into someone but i've had a few big frights avoiding them.
Bikes on pavements again - but this time it's topical!
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but it does say he shouted that at the top of the road so why didn't they move out of the road? i can appreciate he was probably reckless but so often i'm travelling along a road when people wander into it and i've found myself shouting 'get out of the way' because i feel that braking or swerving would endanger me. i've never gone straight into someone but i've had a few big frights avoiding them.
Boycey
juvenile rave slut
i have nothing to add to this thread other than that this:
is not a cycle courier page. it is an article about them including a particularly vomit worthy (and possibly fictitious) interview.
is not a cycle courier page. it is an article about them including a particularly vomit worthy (and possibly fictitious) interview.
They would have absolutely no hope of it succeeding - a criminal prosecution on the same facts has already been completed. It would be struck out immediately (I think the Latin is autrefois convict or something - already convicted).
They will, I am sure, consider pursuing a civil law claim for damages (if the cyclist has any money to obtain to make it worthwhile.).
scifisam
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When does normal ever mean 'routine for a noticeable minority?' That's kinda the opposite of normal, if it's what a minority does.
And the minority who act that dangerously is a tiny minority.
The bloke in the later linked articles does sound dangerous; how dangerous depends on which article, but none of them exonerate the idiot. Poor girl.
fredfelt
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roryer
道可道非常道，名可名非常名
It's a pointless debate. An idiot cyclist kills girl.. let's put him in jail for 5 years for being an inconsiderate w**ker, the girl may or may not have been inconsiderate herself, but she has already suffered enough, so make an example of him.
I have the same hard line for motorists, regardless of if a girl walks out straight in front of you, if you kill, you should never drive again and go to jail for 5 years.
A motorist chooses to take charge of 1.5 tons of metal zooming around town at up to 30mph, this is a super dangerous activity, as anyone can see it's asking for trouble. Would you put some lines down the middle of a childrens playground and allow cars to drive through at 30mph? No? Well a street IS a children's playground.
I would just ban cars from towns outright, afterall they've caused more deaths since 1945 than all wars and confilcts put together.
So, if you choose to take the risk of driving then you should suffer dire consequences if you 'accidently' kill someone. Zero tolerance for KSI will help train motorists to be super careful.
As for cyclists, it can kill too, so be bloody careful, or face certain jail.
However if we are debating wether pedestrians and cyclists can safely share road space, just as long as cyclists ride slowley and with consideration for pedestrians, of course they can.
I have the same hard line for motorists, regardless of if a girl walks out straight in front of you, if you kill, you should never drive again and go to jail for 5 years.
A motorist chooses to take charge of 1.5 tons of metal zooming around town at up to 30mph, this is a super dangerous activity, as anyone can see it's asking for trouble. Would you put some lines down the middle of a childrens playground and allow cars to drive through at 30mph? No? Well a street IS a children's playground.
I would just ban cars from towns outright, afterall they've caused more deaths since 1945 than all wars and confilcts put together.
So, if you choose to take the risk of driving then you should suffer dire consequences if you 'accidently' kill someone. Zero tolerance for KSI will help train motorists to be super careful.
As for cyclists, it can kill too, so be bloody careful, or face certain jail.
However if we are debating wether pedestrians and cyclists can safely share road space, just as long as cyclists ride slowley and with consideration for pedestrians, of course they can.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
I found myself perambulating through a busy, nominally pedestrian area last week. It was easier to cycle at pedestrian speed than cause even more of an obstruction by pushing my bike.
chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
It's a pointless debate. An idiot cyclist kills girl.. let's put him in jail for 5 years for being an inconsiderate w**ker, the girl may or may not have been inconsiderate herself, but she has already suffered enough, so make an example of him.
I have the same hard line for motorists, regardless of if a girl walks out straight in front of you, if you kill, you should never drive again and go to jail for 5 years.
A motorist chooses to take charge of 1.5 tons of metal zooming around town at up to 30mph, this is a super dangerous activity, as anyone can see it's asking for trouble. Would you put some lines down the middle of a childrens playground and allow cars to drive through at 30mph? No? Well a street IS a children's playground.
I would just ban cars from towns outright, afterall they've caused more deaths since 1945 than all wars and confilcts put together.
So, if you choose to take the risk of driving then you should suffer dire consequences if you 'accidently' kill someone. Zero tolerance for KSI will help train motorists to be super careful.
As for cyclists, it can kill too, so be bloody careful, or face certain jail.
However if we are debating wether pedestrians and cyclists can safely share road space, just as long as cyclists ride slowley and with consideration for pedestrians, of course they can.
they certainly seem to think so. Like the one who knocked my toddler over, he was only going walking speed. So the stay in A&E was relatively short.
I'm clearly over reacting.
Mrs Miggins
Eternal
Is anyone else getting just a tiny bit bored of this whole so-called debate?
Some people are twats - cyclists, pedestrians, car drivers, whatever.
I thought this had been established on countless threads on this forum.
Some people are twats - cyclists, pedestrians, car drivers, whatever.
I thought this had been established on countless threads on this forum.
Mrs Miggins
Eternal
Of course they can. If everyone started respecting everyone else and allowing a sense of shared space to develop. Trouble is, everyone just shouts at everyone else for being in the wrong all the time instead of just showing a bit of consideration.
I told someone to fucking grow up the other day when they shouted at me after they had started crossing the road and ended up walking into my bike - I was on the road and had to stop to let a lorry out of a junction and the pedestrian shouted at me FFS. Unbelievable
lighterthief
Well-Known Member
Your toddler could have been hit by a shopping trolley at walking speed and the result could conceivably been the same (both metal, both heavy etc). QED ban shopping trolleys!
stdPikachu
Plughole in bathtub curve
I managed to get a bruise on my arm that lasted for three weeks after an arsehole pedestrian shoulder barged me whilst running. If I was a toddler I'd have been lucky to escape with brain damage.
Motorists, cyclists and pedestrians are all capable of being abject dickheads. Only when we ban people from going out in public will the madness finally be over and chainsaw cat can walk the stree... I mean, stay inside in peace.
Motorists, cyclists and pedestrians are all capable of being abject dickheads. Only when we ban people from going out in public will the madness finally be over and chainsaw cat can walk the stree... I mean, stay inside in peace.
Mrs Miggins
Eternal
Better still - BAN PEOPLE!!! grrrrr radical problems - radical solutions
Urbanblues
Was that it, life?
Bored? Well fuck off then, nobody is compelling you to hang around. If the debate isn’t to your liking, find one that is; don’t give it the imperious “I’m so bored; can other posters agree with me!” bollocks.
This murderous cyclist is, fortunately, not representative of the cycling ‘community’; yet, he comes across as representative of some of the arseholes that post here. The cunt killed a young girl; he was on a time trial, and couldn’t be bothered to stop. Why can’t cyclists just accept, that even amongst their number, inconsiderate people exist?
A little more humility; a little less “What about us, a persecuted minority?”
I don’t drive a powered vehicle; and, travel at less than 2 mph on pavements.
scifisam
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And I saw a boy get off and push his bike along the pavement the other day, only to have pedestrians tutting at him and a couple even shouting at him for taking up so much space. The kid was huddled into his coat looking hideously embarrassed. You can't win.
I'd never ride my bike on a crowded pavement, but I'm never sure whether pushing the bike is actually better than riding it or not, for the pedestrains that is.
Sorry your kid got hurt, and glad he's OK now.
How did the cyclist manage to injure your kid so badly, though, if he was only going walking speed? Would he have not hurt him if he'd been pushing the bike rather than riding it?
Who the Hell has denied that a small minority of cyclists are twats too?
Urbanblues
Was that it, life?
Sorry, could you run that by me in one of the Indo-European languages, please?
scifisam
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Of course they can. If everyone started respecting everyone else and allowing a sense of shared space to develop. Trouble is, everyone just shouts at everyone else for being in the wrong all the time instead of just showing a bit of consideration.
I told someone to fucking grow up the other day when they shouted at me after they had started crossing the road and ended up walking into my bike - I was on the road and had to stop to let a lorry out of a junction and the pedestrian shouted at me FFS. Unbelievable
The best thing is getting shouted at for being on a cycle path (though the ones that run alongside pavements are often too full of pedestrians to be safe to use).
I have been known to call out to cyclists who are cycling far too fast along the pavement. One time I did that, and the boy and his GF rode back and threatened me, holding me there for about twenty minutes, with a knife held to my pregnant stomach, talking about the ways in which they'd kill me.
Somehow, I don't think it was being on a bike that made them psychotic bastards - they were psychotic bastards on two legs as well as two wheels. Imagine the damage they'd do with a car!
scifisam
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That is in perfectly normal English.
You really can't understand a simple sentence like that?
Urbanblues
Was that it, life?
That is in perfectly normal English.
What I can't understand is the fucking lack of humanity amongst fucking cyclists. Someone reports a current news story; and, lo and behold, instead of a little sympathy for the young woman killed, all we get is you cunts bemoaning your fucking lot.
Why do you think you have such a bad press, when, as you rightly claim, motorists kill far more of us. It is because those that hold themselves up as your spokes people (oh fuck the puns) come across as a bunch of whinging shitbags that are only ever sinned against, and never ever the sinners.
scifisam
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There are loads of people saying what a twat, bastard and so on this bloke was. I said it myself in my first post too, and then did actually express sympathy for the girl when the right link was up.
On the other hand, I haven't seen you express any sympathy for her at all.
Urbanblues
Was that it, life?
Ah, but then I'm not a cyclist; merely one of those cunts you manage to run into.
scifisam
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I don't run into anybody. Have you even read any of my posts on this thread, or what I've said on the subject of cycling anywhere else?
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
From how I read it those statistics prove that cyclists are a more dangerous element than car drivers!
Urbanblues
Was that it, life?
No, my generalisations are a pop at the whinge-fest cyclists indulge in every time there is a criticism of one of their own.
Excellent - that makes it easy to ram a brolly into the spokes of the vehicle that shouldn't be there.
I'm glad to hear that if I decide to mow down a crowd of pedestrians, the magic words, "move, because I'm not stopping" instantly reduce the seriousness of the crime to a trivial 2K slap on the wrist as opposed to a jail sentence.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Erm, I think you'll find that Urbanblues is a baby and travels everywhere by pram. You sick motherfucker.
scifisam
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No, my generalisations are a pop at the whinge-fest cyclists indulge in every time there is a criticism of one of their own.
It wasn't a generalisation, it was specifically aimed at me. Trying to insult me instead of addressing any of the points I've made - very grown-up debating.
Can't be - 10 year olds can't read and write thanks to the parlous state of the educational system so how could a pram based rugrat log onto a website?
Urbanblues
Was that it, life?
Cunt
Urbanblues
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