Oswaldtwistle
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Only Stobarts post #3 at the start of the thread.
Big up the tube drinkers
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Only Stobarts post #3 at the start of the thread.
And for these long journeys you don't think the designers thought, you know, I bet people would like to eat and drink on this plane, esp since it can be used in the 24 hour flight to Aussie. I know, lets make some space for that and provide some useful additions to make that easier?
And do you think Bus designers or Tube designers had that thought?
So one was designed with eating/drinking in mind and one was not.
Funny, I said that 3 posts ago.
How clumsy do you have to be? Usually 3 sheets to the wind clumsy.
EastEnder
Brixton Barnacle
I don't recall inebriation being outlawed....
Personally I'm not really fussed about the ban, I don't normally drink on the tube anyway. But the rationale is highly questionable - do you want people slowly getting drunk on the tube or downing all their cans before they get on? After all, it's not like many tube journeys are long enough for someone to go from sober to drunk en route...
The real issues are to do with antisocial behaviour - belligerent drunks, weak bladdered types, litter louts, etc. I would imagine that most pissed-up louts on the tube were already pissed before they got on.
Banning booze on the tube is nothing more than a cheap, headline grabbing move by the incumbent mayor - a no cost attempt at being seen to "do something".
There will still be pissed people on the tube, people will still leave empty bottles & cans on the tube, people will still use them as impromptu lavatories.
The only effective solution would be to either ban unpleasant people (if only...) or employ more staff to monitor the platforms and trains (which costs money...).
I know you did. I was trying to point out, though, that it isn't only a matter of being designed for eating and drinking, but that planes and (some) trains are designed for long journeys and their facilities are tailored accordingly, which includes but isn't limited to provision for eating and drinking, whilst buses and tubes aren't.
But really, it's hardly that relevant, is it? Not all trains are designed to accommodate food, drink, laptops and other things people use on longer journeys. Sure, intercity trains are, but commuter trains aren't and nor are trains designed for many mlonger journeys, such as Sprinter units or Pacers. And yet, no-one seems to think that that is a good reason to stop people from having a sandwich or a beer on them. So, why should the fact that tube trains aren't designed with long journeys in mind be a reason for stopping people drinking?
Quite obviously, it shouldn't, and it isn't. The justification for the ban was antisocial behaviour, and yet, as has been pointed out again and again, most drunken antics on all forms of transport come from people who are already drunk before they get on, which the booze ban does nothing to address.
Louloubelle
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I am massively relieved to see that so many courageous soldiers for freedom are fighting for our rights to get pissed on a train.
To think that people claim that the days of political activism are dead and gone
To think that people claim that the days of political activism are dead and gone
It is. It's another "anti-terror law" ((c) Police Staters everywhere) of nu-Labour's ... from, er, 1872 ... (s.12 Licensing Act 1872) ...
It isn't that they are just not designed for long journeys, they are not designed for people to eat and drink on. There is no place to put a drink down, no place to rest food, nowhere to throw your rubbish, no one to collect it til the train gets back to the depot.
Yeah I never saw the idea as having much of an impact against asb, it is yet another initiative that really doesn't even begin to deal with the problem.
That doesn't mean the Tube isn't better for the ban. Sure it isn't likely to be any better in terms of the asb you might encounter, but I believe it would smell better and be better not to stick to furniture.
As I said Roadkill, ok it has only a minor effect, but then, it is only a minor inconvenience not to drink alcohol for 30mins. It isn't a HUGE deal, so we don't need a HUGE gain from it, it is a minor thing so minor gains are what we can expect.
Putting bins on trains and on platforms would be a start. And putting toilets on stations would be another.
EastEnder
Brixton Barnacle
So why have I never been arrested?
Bahnhof Strasse
Let's av ya fuckin' dancin'!
As I said, don't really care for the tube one way or the other. But the tube is a reflection of London in general, it's filthy. Hong Kong used to be too. Now there are restrictions on where you can smoke outside (not in most parks for instance). There are bins with ashtrays everywhere, with notices on each telling you of the fine for putting non-fag stuff in the ashtray. There are signs everywhere telling you the penalty for littering, both on the street and MTR. In london we also have those rules, it's just that no one enforces them.
I smoke and am guilty of dropping buts on the floor when I can't find a bin or drain close by. However if I was ever slapped with an £80 fine, I think I may think about where to dispose of my butt before lighting up.
In Hong Kong last year I lit a fag with a match, 2 coppers saw me and followed me unti I put the spent match in to a bin. Had I not seen them I would of course just dropped the match on the street. After that incident I made sure a bin was close by before lighting up.
And as to planes & trains, ever seen a galley on a plane or restaurant car on a train? Pretty much designed for eating I'd say.
Interesting to note TFL's apparent view on relative nuisance. Just before Boris announced the ban, they were running a poster campaign about anti social behaviour on public transport, which included eating smelly food and playing music.
It did not highlight drinking.
If drinking was the biggest problem, the one so pressing that above all others, it needed banning, how did TFL not know this? Surely, no, it can't be - gesture politics? Oh no, definitely not. TFL just "forgot".
It did not highlight drinking.
If drinking was the biggest problem, the one so pressing that above all others, it needed banning, how did TFL not know this? Surely, no, it can't be - gesture politics? Oh no, definitely not. TFL just "forgot".
Bahnhof Strasse
Let's av ya fuckin' dancin'!
You can on Royal Brunei. It's a dry airline, but if you bring your own booze they will serve it for you and dish uot mixers.
Jazzz said:
Only on charters and low cost jobbies. You don't pay for booze on BA.
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hiraethified
That doesn't prove a thing, neither does it back up any claims that it's the people who are actively drinking who are making the mess.
Bahnhof Strasse: the vast majority of people who eat on trains don't all sit in the restaurant car, do they?
and tube staff arent trained to police pointless laws (which arent even laws)
which is why its been pretty much ignored
The Tube have their own police service. Didn't Boris make some noise about making sure it isn't down to ticket staff to enforce this?
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hiraethified
Great idea! Distract the police from getting on with serious work and set them to work enforcing Boris's meaningless and pointless political gesture!
Well if people weren't so selfish that they couldn't go without actively drinking alcohol for a short period they wouldn't need to enforce it and thus wouldn't be distracted.
Again we come back to the selfish actions of those who insist they have some right to drink alcohol in an enclosed, moving, public vehicle.
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what about the selfish actions of those who insist they have the right to listen to loud music in an enclosed, moving, public vehicle? 
or people who read the newspaper, what cunts!
or people who read the newspaper, what cunts!
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
"If people didn't want to drink alcohol on the tube they wouldn't need to ban it"
A masterpiece of both technical accuracy and irrelevance
what about the selfish actions of those who insist they have the right to listen to loud music in an enclosed, moving, public vehicle?
So compare two things that don't inconveince you at all to something that inconveniences a great number of passengers and act like that means something?
Wow that is incredibly lame.
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hiraethified
What's "selfish" about quietly having a beer after work on your way home, and why is it any more "selfish" than someone drinking Tango, coffee or whatever?
And, more importantly, what's it go to do with you anyway?
It isn't down to anyone to enforce this because it's pointless and a waste of time to do so
"If people didn't want to drink alcohol on the tube they wouldn't need to ban it"
A masterpiece of both technical accuracy and irrelevance
Not really what I said.
What I said was this:
"Now that it is banned, the people who are continuing to drink are being selfish, they are the ones that will be wasting the time of staff who have to enforce the ban."
Not really the same is it.
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hiraethified
Please list the times you've recently been "inconvenienced" by someone drinking on the tube, and detail the exact nature of the inconvenience caused. Thanks.
I've never once seen anyone inconvenienced by tube drinking and have never been so inconvenienced myself.
I wasn't even aware it was a massive problem either.
Cause i share the use of that carriage.
Why can't I drop my draws and have a shit, whats it to do with you anyway? So it stinks and is digusting, so what, some people like skat.
It is inconsiderate to other passengers to drink alcohol, it stinks, I also, as stated earlier, believe it is inconsiderate to eat on the Tube and drink anything but bottled water, a polite non-sticky, non-smelly liquid that even if spilt and sat in is mildy annoying but isn't likely to make you stink like a pub for the rest of the day.
You also only talk in YOUR absolute terms of what drinking means on teh Tube, guy going home having a quite drink on the journey, but that is not the only type of drinker on the Tube is it? There are absolute pissheads falling all over the place, there still are you will insist, but I will simply say yes but now they don't have an open can of special brew in their hand.
Perhaps you will argue but they still do no one is enforcing the Ban, but that doesn't change the argument that they should and people shouldn't be doing that.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I can see this going the same way as all of the other ones to be honest.
"I hate drunks on the tube, they're really annoying."
"But drunks on the tube haven't got that way because they've been drinking on the tube."
"But drunks on the tube are really annoying!"
"But they haven't got that way drinking on the tube!"
"But they're really annoying! You're just selfish if you want to drink on the tube because drunks on the tube are really annoying."
Basically it'll just be an endless back and forth of "drinking != drunkenness" again.
"I hate drunks on the tube, they're really annoying."
"But drunks on the tube haven't got that way because they've been drinking on the tube."
"But drunks on the tube are really annoying!"
"But they haven't got that way drinking on the tube!"
"But they're really annoying! You're just selfish if you want to drink on the tube because drunks on the tube are really annoying."
Basically it'll just be an endless back and forth of "drinking != drunkenness" again.
Cause i share the use of that carriage.
Why can't I drop my draws and have a shit, whats it to do with you anyway? So it stinks and is digusting, so what, some people like skat.
It is inconsiderate to other passengers to drink alcohol, it stinks, I also, as stated earlier, believe it is inconsiderate to eat on the Tube and drink anything but bottled water, a polite non-sticky, non-smelly liquid that even if spilt and sat in is mildy annoying but isn't likely to make you stink like a pub for the rest of the day.
You also only talk in YOUR absolute terms of what drinking means on teh Tube, guy going home having a quite drink on the journey, but that is not the only type of drinker on the Tube is it? There are absolute pissheads falling all over the place, there still are you will insist, but I will simply say yes but now they don't have an open can of special brew in their hand.
Perhaps you will argue but they still do no one is enforcing the Ban, but that doesn't change the argument that they should and people shouldn't be doing that.
I suppose it would never have been banned if the tube carriages had the capabilities to sell the booze to you. There doesn't seem to be the same clamour to apply these rules to people travelling on planes and trains... I don't see many people complaining about it on those services either.
Go figure.
Cause i share the use of that carriage.
Why can't I drop my draws and have a shit, whats it to do with you anyway? So it stinks and is digusting, so what, some people like skat.
It is inconsiderate to other passengers to drink alcohol, it stinks, I also, as stated earlier, believe it is inconsiderate to eat on the Tube and drink anything but bottled water, a polite non-sticky, non-smelly liquid that even if spilt and sat in is mildy annoying but isn't likely to make you stink like a pub for the rest of the day.
Bizarre authoritarian nonsense
The absolute pissheads must have been pissed when they got on. So drinking alcohol on the tube is not the problem here is it?
As has been pointed out several times.
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