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Big Flamers believed in 'autonomy' for this, that and the other oppressed group of people - including, of course, autonomy for women to organise against their oppression as women.

In the early 80s, I knew of the group and was very sympathetic, so I keenly bought a copy of the group's paper, Big Flame. The paper reflected the group's belief in 'autonomy'. The centre page spread was about nuclear weapons and the campaigns against cruise missiles. The main article was a straightforward account of missiles and movements, protests and dangers - including the Greenham Common women, of course. Accompanying the main article was another written by an 'autonomous' group, some ideological Greenhamites - ie, pacifist feminists. It explained that nuclear weapons are phallic symbols and that campaigns against cruise missiles are really campaigns against patriarchy.

I wondered whether the writers knew that cruise missiles had wings, but mostly it just struck me that the shapes of missiles owed more to aerodynamics than to symbolism of any sort. (That was 'male thinking', apparently.)

Why had the Marxists who ran Big Flame decided to publish such crackpot twaddle about phallic symbolism? I think they felt obliged to. That was where their belief in (or their version of) 'autonomy' had taken them. They deferred to nutters, just because the nutters were of the sort who started their speeches by saying, "Speaking as a woman...."
 
Big Flamers believed in 'autonomy' for this, that and the other oppressed group of people - including, of course, autonomy for women to organise against their oppression as women.

In the early 80s, I knew of the group and was very sympathetic, so I keenly bought a copy of the group's paper, Big Flame. The paper reflected the group's belief in 'autonomy'. The centre page spread was about nuclear weapons and the campaigns against cruise missiles. The main article was a straightforward account of missiles and movements, protests and dangers - including the Greenham Common women, of course. Accompanying the main article was another written by an 'autonomous' group, some ideological Greenhamites - ie, pacifist feminists. It explained that nuclear weapons are phallic symbols and that campaigns against cruise missiles are really campaigns against patriarchy.

I wondered whether the writers knew that cruise missiles had wings, but mostly it just struck me that the shapes of missiles owed more to aerodynamics than to symbolism of any sort. (That was 'male thinking', apparently.)

Why had the Marxists who ran Big Flame decided to publish such crackpot twaddle about phallic symbolism? I think they felt obliged to. That was where their belief in (or their version of) 'autonomy' had taken them. They deferred to nutters, just because the nutters were of the sort who started their speeches by saying, "Speaking as a woman...."

:D .. but i think BF has more to offer us than just providing a space for the fringes
 
Big Flamers believed in 'autonomy' for this, that and the other oppressed group of people - including, of course, autonomy for women to organise against their oppression as women.

In the early 80s, I knew of the group and was very sympathetic, so I keenly bought a copy of the group's paper, Big Flame. The paper reflected the group's belief in 'autonomy'. The centre page spread was about nuclear weapons and the campaigns against cruise missiles. The main article was a straightforward account of missiles and movements, protests and dangers - including the Greenham Common women, of course. Accompanying the main article was another written by an 'autonomous' group, some ideological Greenhamites - ie, pacifist feminists. It explained that nuclear weapons are phallic symbols and that campaigns against cruise missiles are really campaigns against patriarchy.

I wondered whether the writers knew that cruise missiles had wings, but mostly it just struck me that the shapes of missiles owed more to aerodynamics than to symbolism of any sort. (That was 'male thinking', apparently.)

Why had the Marxists who ran Big Flame decided to publish such crackpot twaddle about phallic symbolism? I think they felt obliged to. That was where their belief in (or their version of) 'autonomy' had taken them. They deferred to nutters, just because the nutters were of the sort who started their speeches by saying, "Speaking as a woman...."

I came across the concept of 'phallic symbolism' at an Anarchist event once, more would have been overkill for me. One male anarcho on stage with his knob out, pointing at it whilst ranting on about missiles and the US military industrial complex, with thrashing, tuneless guitar backing.

Fantastic! :D
 
JHE, you are really on a roll, keep it up: your analysis of the SWP on the other thread was excellent.

TL .. JHE is good but if he reduces BF to this ( which i am not suggesting he is doing .. it was just an anecdote ) then he is wrong ..

tbh i think you would like what BF were doing in the 7ts
 
had a gander at the wordpress and it really is good

one thing that jumped out at me was the split over what 'autonomy' meant .. which incidently, as with much of BF, mirrored discussions in the autonomist movement in Italy .. one side saw autonomy is in w/c autonomy from established political institutions .. the other that any self declared group should have autonomy from each other, a position i believe is disasterous .. East London BF appear to have supported this position and it is no suprise they disappear, some might say up their own backsides.
 
had a gander at the wordpress and it really is good

..one side saw autonomy is in w/c autonomy from established political institutions ....the other that any self declared group should have autonomy from each other, a position i believe is disasterous ..

It wasn't necessirly either/or - could be both. Overall W/C autonomy could contain within it autonomous groups. I don't think BF was supportive of autonomy of just "any self declared" group - but groups who experience particular disadvantage and circumstances - eg. women , black people , gays etc......and not "separatist" autonomy as an end in itself - but autonomy with the aim of building broad progressive alliances within the wider movement.

eg. BF women worked within socialist feminist current of 70's women's movement and contributed to *Beyond the Fragments* book and conferences
 
I came across the concept of 'phallic symbolism' at an Anarchist event once, more would have been overkill for me.

And the stupid thing is that in the original idea, the shape of the symbol is irrelevant. 'phallic symbols' are all about 'male domination through power' being rooted in the penetrative act.
 
Big Flamers believed in 'autonomy' for this, that and the other oppressed group of people - including, of course, autonomy for women to organise against their oppression as women.

In the early 80s, I knew of the group and was very sympathetic, so I keenly bought a copy of the group's paper, Big Flame. The paper reflected the group's belief in 'autonomy'. The centre page spread was about nuclear weapons and the campaigns against cruise missiles. The main article was a straightforward account of missiles and movements, protests and dangers - including the Greenham Common women, of course. Accompanying the main article was another written by an 'autonomous' group, some ideological Greenhamites - ie, pacifist feminists. It explained that nuclear weapons are phallic symbols and that campaigns against cruise missiles are really campaigns against patriarchy.

I wondered whether the writers knew that cruise missiles had wings, but mostly it just struck me that the shapes of missiles owed more to aerodynamics than to symbolism of any sort. (That was 'male thinking', apparently.)

Why had the Marxists who ran Big Flame decided to publish such crackpot twaddle about phallic symbolism? I think they felt obliged to. That was where their belief in (or their version of) 'autonomy' had taken them. They deferred to nutters, just because the nutters were of the sort who started their speeches by saying, "Speaking as a woman...."

They attracted the sort of liberal marxists who found even the IMG too working class
 
TL .. JHE is good but if he reduces BF to this ( which i am not suggesting he is doing .. it was just an anecdote ) then he is wrong ..

tbh i think you would like what BF were doing in the 7ts

all he's done is what he did with his SWP 'analysis', ie reel off the crude stereotype common to those who want to pontificate buit do nowt. It's not an anlysis, it's a smartarses sneer
 
I have to say that I quite like what I have read on the site & find it quite stimulating. But how significant were Big flame? What were the achievements? What did they bring to the table?
 
I have to say that I quite like what I have read on the site & find it quite stimulating. But how significant were Big flame? What were the achievements? What did they bring to the table?

they were small but

important in introducing Italian autonomist ideas though these are still almost unknown!
important in critique of uktrotskyism
played role in Fords strikes and i think in setting up Fords Combine
 
The pamphlet they did on trotskyism was rubbish - it was leninist nonsese, based on the same things it was supposdly rejecting.

I think their relation with autonomism was one of non-understanding. Hence the final trajectory.

I think there werre too many competing currents -there were the reclaim bolshevism types who wrote the trot pamphlet, there were those who looked to auotonomism bit lacked the pressure of the mass struggle to make their ideas relavent - there were others. All these things wiothin the same group.

edit: but yes, this archive being put on line is fantastic.
 
Didn't they base the name Big Flame on some sort of Television series, film, television play or something or is this wrong.
Read this in Alternative London(1982):hmm:

Came across them on demos in early eighties, seemed like many other leftist sects at the time:rolleyes::eek::confused:
 
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