Bicyclist Charged With Manslaughter After Hitting, Killing Pedestrian

[Major Tom]

nope tougher tests are coming slowly, as is the concept of limting engine size or progressive taxtion based on egine size... a few years ago this would have been considered pie in the sky... time will come when retesting is manditory for all drivers not just ones who have lost their licence. As vechiles get more and more sophisiticated and have greater internal safety systems people will need more and more skill to drive them at current this is not the case because we are still basically updating a 50 year old lay out based on old touring saloons (modern saloons are really just refined saloons) but newer more context speific vechile will be developed prolly more along smart car type lines as the engine size limtiations etc kick in... things like parking sensors which have beena round on cars for about 20 years are now being fitted to cars as standard these sensors can pick up a cat walking behind the car or a small child and sooner or later they will be used to provide a preiferal warning system for them. this type of technological advance does in some way cusion the driver from their actions though as does sound proofing internally and also externally (it's harder to judge the approaching speed of a vechile if it's quiter becuase we don't have the auditory clues which combine with the sight informaiton to gather info on speed)

I'm glad you enjoy your science fiction

and do you think the costs of all this will be justified just to account for idiots won't conform to some basic safety rules?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I'm glad you enjoy your science fiction

right what are your proposrals and prdictions based on current policy then or are we going back to your airy fairy land of ot actually knowing what you are talking about...

 

[Spion]

I only get problems when cars get annoyed with me in front of them, despite the fact that I am going the same speed as them. Something must go wrong in their reality circuits. 'A bike going the same speed as me? And in front of me?' So they try to overtake, except they can't get the speed to do it, so i end up getting cut up. But I've never been knocked off cos of this.

it's not just bikes. I think a lot of car drivers have a problem if there's another car in front of them and a big gap beyond that. When i drive I like to leave more braking distance than most people and I constantly get eejits trying to over take so they can get (what I consider) dangerously close to the car in front of me. It's madness. There's nowhere for them to go and then you sit a couple of yards behind them next time you stop.

 

[Major Tom]

hasn't so far ... but then it appears you haven't acutally taken any advanced driving courses to find out how much you don't know ... as is witnessed here you are speaking from astand point of prejudice not informed knowledge... i can't really debate against your airy fairy monsters ... they aren't real...

informed knowledge and practical experience.

I know that the police take advanced driving test, doesn;t stop them driving along in cycle lanes, pulling out across give way lines, and cutting me up.

 

[Major Tom]

right what are your proposrals and prdictions based on current policy then or are we going back to your airy fairy land of ot actually knowing what you are talking about...

The police start enforcing the laws as they stand, or is that too airy fairy for you

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

and do you think the costs of all this will be justified just to account for idiots won't conform to some basic safety rules?

oh an edit?

right sorry what cost, the only cost in financial terms is borne by the private indivdual...

(this is also true of the human cost)

the laws are changing we have to chage our car vechile use by 2010 under kyoto laws will be implamented and have to be upheld with regards to the enviroment as a result greate steps forward in technology will be needed, and this is why msot modern vechiles are sudden;y after a bit of a doldrum incorperating newer much better saftey features... both internally and externally...

as for the human cost it will always be high even if it were only one human being that was killed a year... even so this is rarely a catigory which causes people to prevent thigns from happening... (basically look at any activity and find no death that has resulted from it... this argument that it kills can be applied to any bloody thing...)

making tests harder and therefore increasing the standard of road use has to be a good thing i still don't get why you think it wouldn't be it's fucking simple as chips...

 

[Major Tom]

right sorry what cost, the only cost in financial terms is borne by the private indivdual...

i have a problem with solving the car problem by developing new cars. I always supported car use reduction, especially in cities.

I don;t believe that car companies won't demand huge subsidies to meet any new standards.

I don;t believe that the technology will work the way the manufacturers say it will - I;m an engineer - technology rarely ends up doing what its supposed to do.

It's an aside from making people take up their responsibilities and drive with due care and consideration.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

The police start enforcing the laws as they stand, or is that too airy fairy for you

cool i'll go with that...

so there'll be a massive public transportation problem tomorrow as nearly all london buses fail the enviromental pollution limits for co2 straight away, then we look at no taxi cabs as they aren't carrying a bale of hay as is required...

so that's much clearer and safer roads aready with those two lot's out the way....

cars ... non road worthy condition that's about 40% (or 90% in hackney) so that fewer cars straight away...

motor bikes ... incorrectly fitted scilencers non road legal scilencers and co2 emmsions from most scooters... 40% or so of those gone...

your doing well so far

cyclsits .. no pavement usage, fine ; no jumping red lights, fine. no working illumination or refelctors, dismount and walk and fine. non road worth condition, fine, dismount and walk...

yup the roads are instantly much less congested and friendlier here only now every one's walking...

walking in the road ... fine and arrest...

oh fuck...


you think that may be people being better at using the tools they have rather than the relience on an authoritative bully boy might be a better solution...

or are we still taking your nonsense world, your airy fairy points and your apperent inablity to grasp as simply point....

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

i have a problem with solving the car problem by developing new cars. I always supported car use reduction, especially in cities.

I don;t believe that car companies won't demand huge subsidies to meet any new standards.

I don;t believe that the technology will work the way the manufacturers say it will - I;m an engineer - technology rarely ends up doing what its supposed to do.

It's an aside from making people take up their responsibilities and drive with due care and consideration.

the cost will be borne out by the perosn who buys the car... ipso facto... all previous models have been this way why would this change... is there some speacil engineers conference which has announced secretly that car manufacturers are suddenly to chang etheir marketing model from a hughly sucessfule pay for what you get system to one where they start making some kind of loss, don't talk rubbish ...

 

[Major Tom]

cool i'll go with that...

so there'll be a massive public transportation problem tomorrow as nearly all london buses fail the enviromental pollution limits for co2 straight away, then we look at no taxi cabs as they aren't carrying a bale of hay as is required...

I can tell you don;t want to argue this sensibly

so that's much clearer and safer roads aready with those two lot's out the way....

cars ... non road worthy condition that's about 40% (or 90% in hackney) so that fewer cars straight away...

i agree there

motor bikes ... incorrectly fitted scilencers non road legal scilencers and co2 emmsions from most scooters... 40% or so of those gone...

and there

cyclsits .. no pavement usage, fine ; no jumping red lights, fine. no working illumination or refelctors, dismount and walk and fine. non road worth condition, fine, dismount and walk...

pleas esee all the above posts that you in your infinite pedantic and patronising wisdom have decided to ignore

yup the roads are instantly much less congested and friendlier here only now every one's walking...

walking in the road ... fine and arrest...

oh fuck...


you think that may be people being better at using the tools they have rather than the relience on an authoritative bully boy might be a better solution...

i said apply the laws. what's wrong with that? - and as many have said, the laws that are being most dangerously flouted at the moment are the ones that apply to motor vehicles and three and a half thousand odd people every year who are killed.

or are we still taking your nonsense world, your airy fairy points and your apperent inablity to grasp as simply point....

specifically - what have i said that you so vehemently disagree with, and why?


you can go in round and round in a circle all you like. I'm not going to join you.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

you are the one disputing that thus far technology has been applied to transportation to improve the safty features on it claiming that it's pure science fiction you know like laminated glass, seat belts air bags parking sensors all pure science fiction arrounding to you...

you are the one who claims that further advances will not result in better road craft.

you are not consistant in your arguement at all...

 

[Major Tom]

you are the one disputing that thus far technology has been applied to transportation to improve the safty features on it claiming that it's pure science fiction you know like laminated glass, seat belts air bags parking sensors all pure science fiction arrounding to you....

not sure how that helps either pedestrians or cyclists

anyway - i've noticed that you like to bludgeon anyone who disagrees with you into the ground and take quite a patronising and arrogent attitude. So that's enough on this.

You're pro-car - I'm not - lets agree to differ, or will you keep on until all who disagree with you have been suitably cowered into submission.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

erm greater sensors on cars will indicate greater depth of 'vison' or external influence which should as things progress mean that this field becomes greater and thus forewarns about possible injuries to pedestrians or cyclists by providing an earlier warning system (nothing is going to prevent the didn't look factor of some drivers but a warning system may help to limit that)

The system was trialed some time ago to recognise certain shapes and movments and automatically brake the car. clearly this would need to be configured so the car wasn't randomly braking or causing furhter accidents by stopping but the trials looked fairly good... parking sensors are the first step in this ...