Bibliography Help Needed!

[aqua]

the reference you put has to enable someone reading your dissertation to find the exact same thing you are either quoting from or have read so it is always the date of the book you are reading, ie the year it was published

 

[scalyboy]

Cool. Do you bother putting which edition it is in the bibliography or do you just include the year?

No, just the year of publication of the book you have used. That's what I did with me MA dissertation anyway, and I passed OK!

It took me f---ing ages to do the bibliography and I remember finding it quite irritating, but I spent a lot of time on it cos I knew it was one area where the examiners could mark it 'right' or 'wrong' (in terms of whether it conformed to the Harvard conventions or not), whereas the actual content of the dissertation was more my opinion versus theirs, if you see what I mean.
So if I got it right, then I was guaranteed a few extra marks.

Good luck - will be worth it in the end!

 

[aqua]

yes if there is edition information then include that

essentially if someone was to read your references they would come to the same conclusions you have so it has to give the information of exactly what you have read

 

[aqua]

so it would be: (if using harvard)

name (year) 'title'. publisher, where published, edition number

 

[nosos]

awesome, cheers. as soon as I've done this I'm off to download software...

 

[ymu]

My own stupidity apparently

Right so I'll think I'll go with "Reprint, ..." then in the vain hope I get this finished before 3am.

Though it occurs that it really shouldn't take that long and I'd be much farther along if I hadn't spent the last 2 hours bitching about how tedious it is to anyone who'll listen to me. Hmm.

Seriously - learn how to use a reference manager, and preferably how to download the references straight from a database to avoid errors. Then you can forget about them entirely - you just type summat like {Smith, 1982} in the text where you need a number for the reference - click a button at the end and it'll do the rest for you.

 

[nosos]

that strikes me as pretty useful

 

[aqua]

*hugs endnote*

long gone are the days of trying to remember where I found a quote from

 

[ymu]

so it would be: (if using harvard)

name (year) 'title'. publisher, where published, edition number

Harvard is a bit more verbose than that, according to the link I gave above. And I'm not sure it has an edition number unless it's changed since the original - it's a reprint issue, and they want both years. The original year at the beginning, the new year at the end.

Author/editor Year of original publication (in brackets) Title Edition number Place of publication: publisher. Give both the original year of publication and reprint year for recently published originals.

Example

Piaget, J. (1955) The construction of reality in the child. London: Routledge & Kegan. Reprint, London: Kegan, 1968.

ie as normal but with the reprint information tagged on the end.

 

[aqua]

I was trying to be helpful and not complicated

harvard has stupid levels are complexity if you want them

 

[Vintage Paw]

I use MLA, and I tend to put original date in parentheses, and the edition I'm using's date in the normal place. That's only if it's like a fiction text though, and I tend to be quite arbitrary about it. Like I do it all the time for 19th C stuff, but less often for 20th C stuff.

Never been penalised for it yet

The good thing about MLA is that it requires the bare minimum of information for the source to be identifiable. My kinda referencing style

 

[aqua]

I have to use Harvard or APA depending on who I'm writing for

god bless endnote

 

[Vintage Paw]

I might check out this endnote that you speak of. You don't actually have to use endnotes now do you? Because I reference in text

 

[aqua]

nope it's just the name of the software

 

[nosos]

Finished!

 

[danny la rouge]

The original year at the beginning, the new year at the end.

This is correct. The reason you include the edition you're using is that the quotes you've used with page numbers may appear on a different page in different editions.

 

[nosos]

What's the correct way of citing chapters in books?

 

[ymu]

If I find that answer on the first page of google, I am going to grrrrr most ferociously at you young man.

 

[aqua]

I've just been hunting for an example for you but I can't find one



errrr hang on

I think its

name (year) 'title' In, name (year) 'title', publisher etc

 

[nosos]

And as one final question, does anyone have any idea how to cite organizations?

As it stands I've just put a footnote with a link to their website. Should I put this in the bibliography?

 

[ymu]

From the link I posted earlier

Parts of Books

(e.g chapters, sections, passages, contributions to a collection)

Citation order

Author of the chapter (surname followed by initials) Year of contribution (in brackets) Title of contribution, followed by the word In: plus authod/editor of whole book. Full title of book (underline, embolden or italicise) Place of publication: publisher If a series, title of series and volume number Pagination or chapter/section

Example

Bloggs, J. (2004) 'Having fun with Harvard referencing', in Brown, P. (ed.) Writing references in extremely easy stages. London: Nosuch Press, pp. 21-25.

If it's just a chapter in a book all by one author, just put the page numbers for the chapter at the end, as you normally would.


[ferocious]GRRRR!!![/ferocious]

 

[ymu]

And as one final question, does anyone have any idea how to cite organizations?

As it stands I've just put a footnote with a link to their website. Should I put this in the bibliography?

Links are fine, but they need an

...(Accessed: <date last accessed>)

at the end because they don't stay the same forever.

Check the rest of that link I gave you - it's got loads of examples which will likely help.

 

[nosos]

If it's just a chapter in a book all by one author, just put the page numbers for the chapter at the end, as you normally would.

Oh sorry I mean can I cite the chapter as a chapter? I only wrote down chapter numbers for footnotes and the books are back at the library now I've got 80+ references and I can only take out 15 books at a time

[ferocious]GRRRR!!![/ferocious][/QUOTE]
In fairness you've answered a different question to the one I was asking

 

[ymu]

You don't need to take out the books to get the page numbers from them. You'll just have to go spend an afternoon there regretting your lack of forethought and planning.

You might get away with putting the chapter number instead of page numbers. But really, this is one of the skills you need from a postgrad degree, so make sure you learn from the tedium of doing it this way.

 

[ymu]

There ya go - mish mash the style with this one:

Act of parliament:

Citation order (post-1963)

Great Britain Name of Act: Name of sovereign. Chapter number (underlined or italicise)) Publisher

Example:

Great Britain. Criminal Justice and Courts Service Act 2000: . Elizabeth 11. Chapter 43. (2000) London: The Stationery Office.

Am I allowed to GRRRR now?

 

[Vintage Paw]

There are so many different flavours of Harvard, MLA and all the rest, that as long as you just pick one and stick with it consistently throughout your piece it'll be fine. You'll never find the definitive way of doing Harvard referencing, because different institutions, disciplines and sub-disciplines have different takes on it. Find one way you like, one you understand, and create a document that has all possible examples you can think of in that style. Save it, and refer to it when you need it in the future. Just be consistent, that's the most important thing.

 

[nosos]

What a fantastically helpful thread

 

[ymu]

There are so many different flavours of Harvard, MLA and all the rest, that as long as you just pick one and stick with it consistently throughout your piece it'll be fine. You'll never find the definitive way of doing Harvard referencing, because different institutions, disciplines and sub-disciplines have different takes on it. Find one way you like, one you understand, and create a document that has all possible examples you can think of in that style. Save it, and refer to it when you need it in the future. Just be consistent, that's the most important thing.

Good advice - but if he's going to be writing for journals in the future (as I assume he will) he'll have to follow their style. He won't necessarily know where it's going to be submitted to when he's writing it and he won't know if the first journal will accept it.

You really need software that will output all of the styles you will ever need - and preferably one that will allow you to define/import new ones.

 

[scalyboy]

Just be consistent, that's the most important thing.

Wot he said.

Totaly agree - internal inconsistency will look shoddy and is one thing the examiners are on the look out for. It's not so important whether you choose Harvard, Vancouver, MLA or another style guide to use, just that you stick with one for the whole piece, and adhere to its rules.

Edited to say: ymu is also correct in that journals etc will have a prescribed 'house style' which contributors should adhere to, but for the purposes of a dissertation just choose one you like or have been told to use by your supervisor.

 

[scalyboy]

Out of curiosity (and thinking it mightsave me a lot of time in future) I was just looking at how much Endnote costs - Christ! Not cheap is it! ($249)

I have access to it at work though, hmmmmm