I doubt it - too many variables.gentlegreen said:
Actual Police patrols catch people driving dangerously / recklessly. And they are being redcued. And (even worse!) many of the few who remain spend their time ... doing speed enforcement anyway!
Beware new tall speed cameras...
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Actual Police patrols catch people driving dangerously / recklessly. And they are being redcued. And (even worse!) many of the few who remain spend their time ... doing speed enforcement anyway!
George & Bill
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TopCat said:Keep digging...
topcat, earlier thismorning
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Portsmouth is introducing a 20mph speed limit soon imagine the howls of outrage that will cause .You speed you get caught its not difficult to drive at
the speed limit its just boring .
the speed limit its just boring .
cybertect
It's grim up north (London)
Actually, I find 20 mph a very difficult limit to observe.
It may just be the engine/gearbox ratio combination on my car, but
In 3rd gear - the engine is practically idling at 20 mph and not really a suitable gear for driving.
2nd gear - the engine operates at a better speed (~2,500 rpm) but with the torque available, a small touch on the throttle sends me over 20 mph.
I consequently end up doing small 'squirt and coast' bursts in a 20 mph zone, constantly returning my eye to the speedometer (and not the sides of the road).
The proposals for average speed cameras in 20 zones is going to make the mental calculations even more fun.
In general, higher speed limits are easier to keep to because of the longer gear ratios at 60-70 mph.
It may just be the engine/gearbox ratio combination on my car, but
In 3rd gear - the engine is practically idling at 20 mph and not really a suitable gear for driving.
2nd gear - the engine operates at a better speed (~2,500 rpm) but with the torque available, a small touch on the throttle sends me over 20 mph.
I consequently end up doing small 'squirt and coast' bursts in a 20 mph zone, constantly returning my eye to the speedometer (and not the sides of the road).
The proposals for average speed cameras in 20 zones is going to make the mental calculations even more fun.
In general, higher speed limits are easier to keep to because of the longer gear ratios at 60-70 mph.
Velouria
Long time lurker
To be honest it's fucking impossible for any distance. They'll bring the whole bloody lot into disrepute if they extend this too far and start hitting people for 23mph (the proportionate equivalent of the 30 and 40 ticket levels)cybertect said:
pembrokestephen
New Member
Mmm, even slowjoe could find himself in a spot of bother, then...detective-boy said:To be honest it's fucking impossible for any distance. They'll bring the whole bloody lot into disrepute if they extend this too far and start hitting people for 23mph (the proportionate equivalent of the 30 and 40 ticket levels)
George & Bill
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pembrokestephen said:
no, because cyclists cannot be identified by cameras, and can therefore break the speed limit (as well as ignore traffic lights) with impunity
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Some of us couldn't do this downhill, with a following windslowjoe said:no, because cyclists cannot be identified by cameras, and can therefore break the speed limit (as well as ignore traffic lights) with impunity
George & Bill
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gentlegreen said:Some of us couldn't do this downhill, with a following wind
buy a heavier bike
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
slowjoe said:buy a heavier bike
scurries off to remind self about Galileo and Newton .....
George & Bill
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gentlegreen said:
presumably terminal velocity is not your problem here...
(sj hereby opts out of any further discussions regarding physics)
Techonelectric
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We all speed
It's a fact of life that none of us are perfect and the punishment rarely fits the crime - sorry for you because in my teen years I bought an old police car and regulary clocked 135mph - I could do Brixton - Brighton in 45mins - no chance since the cameras but with age I'm glad - would hate to kill anyone especially myself!
Nowdays I drive an old van and it's much easier to stick to the limits but I still speed - I dont think humans can help it honestly.
It's a fact of life that none of us are perfect and the punishment rarely fits the crime - sorry for you because in my teen years I bought an old police car and regulary clocked 135mph - I could do Brixton - Brighton in 45mins - no chance since the cameras but with age I'm glad - would hate to kill anyone especially myself!
Nowdays I drive an old van and it's much easier to stick to the limits but I still speed - I dont think humans can help it honestly.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
I get that on the cycle path - cityoffice workers in "maillots jaunes" on racing bikes coming in the opposite direction flat out - never making room when you need to overtake pedestrians.bi0boy said:Speed limits dont apply to bicycles, the only offence relating to speeding applicable to cyclists is one of 'cycling furiously'
Just lately I've been placing my 17 stone bulk in their way You are right. It's because they are so inflexible. By definition the safe speed on a road varies widely with the conditions, weight of traffic, type of vehicle being driven, etc., etc. But there is one-size fits all speed limit which is usually chosen for one of the more hazardous times on that bit of road (e.g. 20mph outside a school - which is valid when the school is going in or out, sort of valid for the rest of the school day and totally fucking meaningless at 3am on an August night).Techonelectric said:
That is why manual enforcement of speed offences relies heavily on the exercise of discretion. Do 60 or even 70 on an urban dual carriageway (typical speed limit 40) during the day and you'd (a) probably cause an accident and (b) would get prosecuted (quite rightly). Do 60 or 70 on the same road in the middle of the night and you'd (a) get a pull (they may use it as an excuse to see if you;d been drinking) and (b) probably get a warning to "slow it down a bit" (unless, of course, your opening gambit was "Haven't you fuckers got any rapists to catch?").
Most motorists have a reasonable grasp of general hazard awareness (i.e. they would recognise the difference in the circumstances I have used above), albeit that sometimes their specific hazard awareness is pretty bad and so even Mr and Mrs Stringback-Gloves and their friend, Lord Flatcap, tend to edge over the limits sometimes.
And the our current blunt instrument, one size fits all, speed enforcement kicks in and .... FLASH! FLASH! ...
Pingu
Credo
detective-boy said:That is why manual enforcement of speed offences relies heavily on the exercise of discretion. Do 60 or even 70 on an urban dual carriageway (typical speed limit 40) during the day and you'd (a) probably cause an accident and (b) would get prosecuted (quite rightly). Do 60 or 70 on the same road in the middle of the night and you'd (a) get a pull (they may use it as an excuse to see if you;d been drinking) and (b) probably get a warning to "slow it down a bit" (unless, of course, your opening gambit was "Haven't you fuckers got any rapists to catch?").
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the above is true
I was doing a very very silly speed on the M6 several years ago (before speed cameras came in) on a gsxr1100 with stage 3 cams and full yohsi kit on it.
I went flying past a police car on one of those raised bits at the side of the road (where they can park up to eat their kebab). I saw him.. slowed down.. got pulled.. was plite. Explained that the road was clear, it was dry and it was a straight bit..
was very polite and didnt give the copper any casue for extra paperwork.. (apart from the silly speed). and got off with a bollocking.
I learnt two things that day
1 - being nice to coppers can pay off
2 - my mte was lying about the bikes top speed (according to the vascar device anyhow)
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