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Isn't it? Understanding probability will tell you that eight heads in a row, say, with a fair coin is perfectly possible, but that the chances of 200 heads in a row are so astronomically small that such a result almost certainly shows that your assumptions (in this case fair coin, fair flipping) are wrong.
No, I distinctly remember our maths teacher at school telling us that even if we'd had 200 heads in a row, it was still 50-50 for getting another one. He was, of course, trying to impress on us the memoryless property of probability. But, from a Bayesian perspective, he was dead wrong.
 
8? i once threw 22 heads in a row!

actually that reminds me.

dave
What was that Derren Brown thing he did where he showed himself flipping loads of heads in a row. Then at the end he showed that he'd filmed all day to get that one sequence.
 
No, I distinctly remember our maths teacher at school telling us that even if we'd had 200 heads in a row, it was still 50-50 for getting another one. He was, of course, trying to impress on us the memoryless property of probability. But, from a Bayesian perspective, he was dead wrong.
Ok, well his approach was wrong, then. Maybe it would be better to start with a dice example – if you throw a die twice, for instance, would you be more likely, less likely or as likely to get a 3 then a 5 or a 6 followed by another 6? I saw a small survey on this done on the street on TV a while back, asking adults this question, and the majority of them got it wrong (thought 3 then 5 was more likely because it looks more random).

It's the kind of misunderstanding that can lead to people making very bad decisions with their money, for instance. There must be a way of teaching it.
 
This is the sort of thing I ceased to be able to understand when I was about seventeen.
It just says that you shouldn't assume that your assumptions are right.

You start off with the assumption that the coin is fair. But as you gather results, you allow for the possibility that it isn't fair.

You start off with the assumption that the die has each side with probability 1/6. But as you gather results, you allow this assumption to gradually change.

Put into the framework of risk, it allows for the second risk type -- parameter error -- as well as the first one -- process error. If you want to be 95% sure that you are right, you need to allow for the possibility that your assumptions about the likelihood of different events are wrong as well as the possibility that randomness simply bites you on the ass.

It still doesn't allow for the third and most serious risk type though -- model error, the risk that you picked the wrong damn model in the first place. And it's this that tends to really fuck people. And, to bring things full circle, it's this last type of risk that is most likely to fuck vic.
 
Hey, why no PM? :confused: How serious about wanting backers are you? You were going to advertise in Private Eye, but didn't follow up on my expression of interest. I could have stood you the full £5K.
 
If betting systems worked, then there would be no bookies. Good luck.
With the abolition of betting tax, and more recently the advent of Betfair and in-running betting, this has really changed and it is now really possible to make money betting on sporting events. Not necessarily easy though to win after commission.

Also, there are certainly profits to be made with very short odds punting. The markets do not like short-priced favourites (who wants to risk £1000 to win £75?), so they may be good value.
 
8? i once threw 22 heads in a row!

actually that reminds me.

dave
Are you quite sure you did? I thought 22-23 was about the longest sequence seen in a casino, apparently it's a bit more though

In Roulette for instance, the longest streak ever seen in the last 250 years was 32 consecutive Reds in a Brazilian casino about 40 years ago.
source

The longest series recorded in Monte Carlo is red coming up 28 times in succession
source
 
Red/black in roulette is not 50/50 though. In the US casinos in particular, your odds of red or black are each only 16/34. It might not sound much of a difference, but you are 60% more likely to get 8 straight heads with a fair coin than you are 8 straight reds in a US casino.
 
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