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Best/worst songs about the Northern Irish conflict

DeadManWalking said:
Any by Rev Elvis Paisley?

hahahhaa as a youngster who grew up in that part of North Antrim Presided over by the fundamentalist nut-jobs in the DUP i can safely say that music of all kinds was frowned upon - the late 80s and early 90s was like living in the land of Footloose - it was never really a problem as most bands played in belfast anyway but for some strange reason hard rockers and renowned satanists; Electric Light Orchestra decided they wanted to play at ballymena showgrounds... it was great the whole place kicked off - the council was, i believe, headed up by this god-fearing but open minded liberal who claimed that Ballymena would be caught up in 'the 4 D's'

Drinking
Drugtaking
Devil Worshipping
Debauchery

and that to protect the youth of the town the townsfolk should do all they can to ensure these instruments of satan never set foot in the town - and so, i missed my chance to see ELO at ballymena showgrounds and in answer to your question - the Right Rev.Horton Paisley and his band of merry men don't do music really....

for further listening try downloading 'Ulster Way' by Pangur Ban
 
"oh father why are you so sad..."

marty21 said:
Take me home to Mayo, across the Irish sea
Home to dear old Mayo, where once I roamed so free
Take me home to Mayo, and let my body lie
Home at last in Mayo, beneath the Irish sky.

My name is Michael Gaughan, from Ballina I came
I saw my people sufferin´ and I swore to break their chains
I took the boat to England, prepared to fight or die
Far away from Mayo, beneath an Irish sky.

My body cold and hungry, in Parkhurst Jail I lie
For the loving of my country, on hunger strike I´ll die
I have just one last longing, I pray you´ll not deny
Take my body home to Mayo, beneath the Irish sky.


i learnt this as a kid, my dad got a kick out of us singing it...

My dad used to belt that out while pissed because his dad's from Ballina

Only decent rock/pop song about the troubles is Ether by Gang of Four. Bah-bah-bah-BAH! Bah-bah-bah-BAH-BAH-BAH!
 
Oh farewell you streets of sorrow
And farewell you streets of pain
I’ll not return to feel more sorrow
Nor to see more young men slain
Through the last six years I’ve lived through terror
And in the darkened streets the pain
Oh how I long to find some solace
In my mind I curse the strain

So farewell you streets of sorrow
And farewell you streets of pain
No I’ll not return to feel more sorrow
Nor to see more young men slain

There were six men in birmingham
In guildford there’s four
That were picked up and tortured
And framed by the law
And the filth got promotion
But they’re still doing time
For being irish in the wrong place
And at the wrong time
In ireland they’ll put you away in the maze
In england they’ll keep you for seven long days
God help you if ever you’re caught on these shores
The coppers need someone
And they walk through that door

You’ll be counting years
First five, then ten
Growing old in a lonely hell
Round the yard and the stinking cell
From wall to wall, and back again

A curse on the judges, the coppers and screws
Who tortured the innocent, wrongly accused
For the price of promotion
And justice to sell
May the judged by their judges when they rot down in hell

May the whores of the empire lie awake in their beds
And sweat as they count out the sins on their heads
While over in ireland eight more men lie dead
Kicked down and shot in the back of the head
 
A while ago I got really fascinated by Loyalist Trance music, really cheesy euro-trance probably made with one of those off the shelf software music creation packages accompanied by bigoted and often quite surreal lyrics. It is so bad it is good, actually no, it is just bad but strangely fascinating. The worst thing is I people actually get pilled up and listen to this shit, and dance to it, presumably whilst ranting about fenians, just plain weird.
 
Eita said:
A while ago I got really fascinated by Loyalist Trance music, really cheesy euro-trance probably made with one of those off the shelf software music creation packages accompanied by bigoted and often quite surreal lyrics. It is so bad it is good, actually no, it is just bad but strangely fascinating. The worst thing is I people actually get pilled up and listen to this shit, and dance to it, presumably whilst ranting about fenians, just plain weird.

link? sounds fascinating
 
What about this bloke?

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Quality social political commentary from our good friend Willie McCrea... who can forget Troubles classics such as I Believe in a Hill Called Mount Calvary or The Answers on the Way (with missing apostrophe and all!)

And I see from the "Daybreak Recordings" website that his son is now recording as well :eek: :eek:
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Much as I respect The Police and their cod-reggae act (not up to Clash standards but better than UB40), Invisible Sun annoys me.

Oh and Zombie, for sure.
 
Eita said:
A while ago I got really fascinated by Loyalist Trance music, really cheesy euro-trance probably made with one of those off the shelf software music creation packages accompanied by bigoted and often quite surreal lyrics. It is so bad it is good, actually no, it is just bad but strangely fascinating. The worst thing is I people actually get pilled up and listen to this shit, and dance to it, presumably whilst ranting about fenians, just plain weird.


Loyalist trance music? Jeeeesus!!!!

It wouldn't be like 2unlimited's There's No Limits?

"No no, no no no no..."
 
:D

Yeah, but you'd have to have the Paisley City Hall '85 special re-write of the lyrics...

"Ne-vah, ne-vah ne-vah, ne-vah ne-vah..." etc etc ;)
 
Chorlton said:
you are taking the piss surely?

if not then i demand you saw off your ears and have them buried in concrete with witnesess present - those are two of the most cringeworthy dirges that have ever been committed to tape in the history of the world ever....


hence best and 'worst' mate. Under no circumstances do I like McCartneys Give Ireland back or the John Lennon one either. :mad: :o
Although talking of John Denver no one ever heard 'Take me home Shankhill Road' very very bad also.
 
hibee said:
link? sounds fascinating
I did have a few MP3's on my hard drive, but in a fit of sanity I deleted them all (and it is not exactly a large genre of music either) but there are some examples of similar crap on these pages, though these are all in a country, folk or drum&flute stylee..
loyalistmusic.co.uk/archive/index.php/songindex

If you are a glutton for punishment:
loyalistfm.net

BUT for the proper, real hardcore Loyalist Trance check
King Billy
this is an example of loyalism moving with the times! (and true to form, they always fuck it up..)
 
NO NO

NO NO

Theres NO NO SUR-ENDER!!
(so theres not)

If anyone wants to experience 'spide-rave' at its best might i recommend the 12th weekend in any wee-hole of yer choosing in the pravince... bonfires as high as tower blocks provide the backdrop as some wee hoor in a rangers top delights the crowd with bad mixes of the sash until the hoods get back from portrush and THE PARTY REALLY BEGINS

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4681069.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4687445.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4675863.stm
 
Donna Ferentes said:
I'm told there's three of them still going.


don't think thats right - the orignal drummer was replaced by dolphin talyor when they started to lose the way in the 80s - perhaps the best member of the band, Henry Clulney left in the 90s to concentrate on his radio show and playing with his awful glam rock band and ali mcordie was replaced by yer man from the jam (foxton?)...

i think that as of now it seems to be Jake +3
 
You may very well be right. I was just passing on the contents of my conversation and hence invite you to blame my contacts for their misinformation...
 
Dirty Martini said:
Let this be the first mention of 'Forgotten Sons' by Marillion.
But not the last ;)


Armalite, street lights, nightsights
Searching the roofs for a sniper, a viper, a fighter
Death in the shadows he’ll maim you, he’ll wound you, he’ll kill you
For a long forgotten cause
On not so foreign shores
Boys baptised in war
Boys baptised in war

Morphine, chill scream, bad dream
Serving as numbers on dogtags, flakrags, sandbags
Your girl has married your best friend, loves end, poison pen
Your flesh will always creep, tossing turning sleep
The wounds that burn so deep, burn so deep

Your mother sits on the edge of the world when the cameras start to roll
Panoramic viewpoint resurrect the killing fold
Your father drains another beer, he’s one of the few that cares
Crawling behind a saracen’s hull from the safety of his living room chair
Forgotten sons
Forgotten sons
Forgotten sons

And so as I patrol in the valley of the shadow of the tricolour I must fear evil
For I am but mortal and mortals can only die
Asking questions, pleading answers from the nameless faceless watchers
That parade the carpeted corridors of whitehall
Who orders desecration, mutilation, verbal masturbation in the guarded bureaucratic wombs
Minister, minister care for your children
Order them not into damnation
To eliminate those who would trespass against you
For whose is the kingdom, the power, the glory for ever and ever
Amen

Fish ... what a lyricist. Since he left the band's been nothing like the same.

It's a shame their music is so unfashionable though, that nowadays the mere mention of it provokes cries of disgust :D

My votes go for songs that have already been mentioned ... 'Johnny Was' (which iirc is identical to the Marley version apart from the substitution of 'Belfast' for 'Kingston' in one line of the song ...), 'Alternative Ulster', 'The More I See, The Less I Believe' (which I believe was withdrawn by their record company after a very short time on sale ...), 'Barbed Wire Love'.

Having now heard it ... definite
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to 'King Billy's On The Wall' for sure ...

We have occasionally in chat had some discussions over the whole issue of Ulster Scots and whether it's a dialect of Scots, a separate language, or a political fiction... You don't hear many songs in Ulster Scots for one thing ... Being a Scotsperson tho I do find it fascinating to listen to (It just sounds like Scots in a thick Irish accent to me btw with the odd word I can't work out). But I'm not getting dragged into the argument here over what it is. We're a more civilised bunch in chat*; here it'd turn into mudslinging ;)

* ok maybe not - but we know each other well enough not to drag such an argument into verbal fisticuffs. See, we're a close-knit bunch. None of you buggers ever turn up in there unless the boards are down :)
 
Loyalist trance music? :eek: I'd love to hear that.

Coming from a Republican background I must admit I've only ever heard songs like, come out ye black and tans, celtic symphony, men behind the wire and stuff like that. Actually good wee Irish songs.

Anyone go to the limelight in Belfast?
 
I heard Christy Moore doing North and South of the River and glasto and found it quite emotive because it wasn't a "protest" song, but something alot more visceral. It was a bit of "glasto moment" for me... where your emotions catch you completely unawares. It's a love song, with the political climate as a backdrop.

A brief excerpt:

"Can we stop playing this old tattoo
Darling I don't have the answer
I wanna meet you where you are
I don't need ya to surrender
"

:(
 
My first ever album was that SLF one ... :cool: :)

Or it may have been the second, following 'New Boots And Panties' by Ian Dury and the Blockheads ..... strangely bereft of six counties-themed tunes :D :p
 
Cid said:
Oh farewell you streets of sorrow
And farewell you streets of pain
I’ll not return to feel more sorrow
Nor to see more young men slain
Through the last six years I’ve lived through terror
And in the darkened streets the pain
Oh how I long to find some solace
In my mind I curse the strain

So farewell you streets of sorrow
And farewell you streets of pain
No I’ll not return to feel more sorrow
Nor to see more young men slain

There were six men in birmingham
In guildford there’s four
That were picked up and tortured
And framed by the law
And the filth got promotion
But they’re still doing time
For being irish in the wrong place
And at the wrong time
In ireland they’ll put you away in the maze
In england they’ll keep you for seven long days
God help you if ever you’re caught on these shores
The coppers need someone
And they walk through that door

You’ll be counting years
First five, then ten
Growing old in a lonely hell
Round the yard and the stinking cell
From wall to wall, and back again

A curse on the judges, the coppers and screws
Who tortured the innocent, wrongly accused
For the price of promotion
And justice to sell
May the judged by their judges when they rot down in hell

May the whores of the empire lie awake in their beds
And sweat as they count out the sins on their heads
While over in ireland eight more men lie dead
Kicked down and shot in the back of the head

Ace!! Shane Macgowan doing what he does best!
 
spikey_r said:
Ace!! Shane Macgowan doing what he does best!

how about 'the last house in our street'. Can't remember who wrote it. I play it though. It goes

the last house in our street is the one that we are living in
throw the ball against the wall and back to me
all the other windows have concrete curtains
open up your eyes and tell me what you see

the flowers in our garden are made of bricks and broken glass
throw the ball against the wall and back to me..........

etc etc..Anyone know it, its a hard hitting (gets a lot nastier later on) lament about the tragedy of conflict and non sectarian
 
Idris2002 said:
I was just listening to Bowie's _Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars_ and there's a line on the track _Star_ which goes 'Tony went to fight in Belfast'.

Now that could mean anything, but on an album released the same year as Bloody Sunday it could well be a reference to what was happening in the north at the time.

That got me thinking, what other songs about NI can we come up with? A while back we had a thread about E.Costello's _Oliver's Army_ which refers to the place.

Then there's Shane McGowan's song about Dominic McGlinchey:

'He shot a couple of coppers and he joined the IRA,

And the papers called him Paddy, public enemy number one'.


but I'm pretty sure McGlinchey was in the INLA, trust a public school boy to get it wrong.
Through the Barricades is the surely the shittest. I actually like Invisible Sun by The Police- the vid was banned from Top of the Pops. Alternative Ulster is the nuts, with suspect device a close second.
Hmm maybe that shit awful dirge by the Cranberries is the shittest.
theres a lot to choose from......
 
lizzieloo said:
What about 'Northern Ireland' by Culture Shock?

how about 'le marchand de cailloux' by Renaud. i think it was shit and was all about some kid selling stones to chuck at the RUC
fuck i really did get to this thread too late.

ss ruc
ruc bru-tal-ity

was quite catchy
 
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