Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
Yeah. I only like Cash cos like, all my mates at school think he's like, the coolest thing ever innit.
Is there any other reason for liking things? I think not.
best version of Hurt
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Is there any other reason for liking things? I think not.
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
i've never heard the NIN version but i saw them at Brixton Academy years ago (an ex girlfriend wanted to see them) and they were unmitigated shite. stadium goth fanny-batter. couldn't wait till the show was over.
can't say i know much about johnny cash and certainly wouldnt consider myself a 'fan' but my first exposure to the song was seeing the (absolutely stunning) video and i thought his version of it accompanying it was quite phenomenally, spine shiveringly, tear jerkingly AMAZING so, yup, i think i'm gonna have to go for 'the man in black' over the 'man who should know better and really is a bit old for that sort of thing in black (eyeliner)'
can't say i know much about johnny cash and certainly wouldnt consider myself a 'fan' but my first exposure to the song was seeing the (absolutely stunning) video and i thought his version of it accompanying it was quite phenomenally, spine shiveringly, tear jerkingly AMAZING so, yup, i think i'm gonna have to go for 'the man in black' over the 'man who should know better and really is a bit old for that sort of thing in black (eyeliner)'
Refused as fuck
"ethnic pakistani tosser"
I feel embarrassed for you every time I read one of your posts.
Augie March
blahem
Is there any other reason for liking things? I think not.
I don't have the mental capacity to judge things on merit alone. I have to see what everyone else thinks first before I can decide if it's any good or not.
scifisam
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I don't have the mental capacity to judge things on merit alone. I have to see what everyone else thinks first before I can decide if it's any good or not.
Me too. In fact, I've never even heard either version of the song, I'm just doing what's cool.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
I feel embarrassed for you every time I see you shamelessly pandering for attention by posting up your picture and fishing for compliments.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
Then your soul is dead, my friend. Check your neck for bite marks.
Refused as fuck
"ethnic pakistani tosser"
I feel embarrassed for you every time I see you shamelessly pandering for attention by posting up your picture and fishing for compliments.
Jealousy is a terrible thing, Johnny Canuck2. Don't let it eat you up.
yep - that's why so many more people are voting for Cash. because it's cool
nothing to do with the simple fact of liking his version more, oh no.
kained&able
Here for the football.
they really arent about the same thing. nin is about losing everyone and everything beacuse of smack.
cash's is about him about to die.
very different songs.
I perfer the samck.
dave
Refused as fuck
"ethnic pakistani tosser"
That is some godawful smack talk.
Jorum
Well-Known Member
Taking the track itself , completely divorced from the singers etc. My feeling is:
NiN version is a man singing like a whiney teenager. To me the lyrics don't match the style.
Cash version is an old man evaluating his life and knowing he fucked it up but he can't fix it now.
In my reading of the lyrics, they work far better as the words of an old man. (Cash or not)
NiN version is a man singing like a whiney teenager. To me the lyrics don't match the style.
Cash version is an old man evaluating his life and knowing he fucked it up but he can't fix it now.
In my reading of the lyrics, they work far better as the words of an old man. (Cash or not)
Jorum
Well-Known Member
I don't agree - the Cash version is also about someone who's lost everything and everyone because of drugs and his actions.
The difference in the Cash version is that the singer is an old man, so he really knows he's lost everything and it's too late to get it back.
The song is basically about regret. And that obviously has massively more impact with an old man at the end of his life than with a middle-aged man (who still in theory has time to change and try to put thing right)
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
My soul is very much alive, and has been moved many times by Johnny Cash. This time isn't one of them.
Augie March
blahem
I've been moved by Cash many times before too, but only because all the cool kids were being moved by him at the time and I just wanted to appear 'with it'.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
Agreed.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
Then I pity you. You are of course perfectly free to have terrible taste, and I will defend your right to the...well, for a bit if I'm not otherwise occupied.
christonabike
Elm Park Bencher
Cash
Red Hot Chilli Peppers could do a jaunty funk version that's better than NIN
Red Hot Chilli Peppers could do a jaunty funk version that's better than NIN
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
And I'll defend your right to enjoy mawkish, au courant ad-agency contrivances, when I'm thinking about it.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
And I'll defend your right to enjoy mawkish, au courant ad-agency contrivances, when I'm thinking about it.
Get away with you, you mad bastard!
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
Yep. In fact so many of the "choices" on the Cash-Rubin albums were like that when you think of it.
yes... my favourite song on that album was definitely the one that johnny cash actually wrote at the time, that was awesome! not sentimental at all, much better than either of these "hurt"s
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=10O9kUCAv40
although i lost the album and didn't really miss it.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Sunday Morning Coming Down is Cash's true 'Hurt'. It fits with his time, it was right for his age, it fit with the reality of his life, which is why the song has so much power.
Doing Hurt is,'what can we do to that will work in the youth market?'
Riklet
procrastinación
I voted NIN but i'm a yooof and i've seen it live.... mmm, plus really I like them both equally, and find it hard to choose. Cash's version is sheer emotional brilliance, and when combined with the video it's near perfect, but it's Trent Reznor's song fo sho. The original meaning is more about self harm and such, rather than drug abuse btw, although it's pretty clear what an amazing cover it is in the way Cash truly shapes it as his own "goodbye" song.
The Reznor-bashing wagon is hurtling toward fail-cliff too, grr!
Cash's version is sheer emotional brilliance, and when combined with the video it's near perfect, but it's Trent Reznor's song fo sho. The original meaning is more about self harm and such, rather than drug abuse btw, although it's pretty clear what an amazing cover it is in the way Cash truly shapes it as his own "goodbye" song.The Reznor-bashing wagon is hurtling toward fail-cliff too, grr!
scifisam
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I do think that song was chosen for that singer intentionally to make us weep buckets knowing that he was singing at the end of his life. The video was certainly intended to make us feel that. But songs and videos generally aim to make you feel something, so that's nothing new - what matters is whether they do it well, and it seems to me that they did.
i disagree, well with songs anyway. i don't really like any song where i think "ah they are trying to make me feel this way now"
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
By the time it got to the end of the Rubin/Cash albums I think every song was chosen to help perpetuate the myth of Cash.
I was excited about the collaboration originally as it helped bring country into many people's mindsets but it just withered away into sentimentalism.
braindancer
not for long
Trent Reznor wore a crown of shit, Johnny Cash wore a crown of thorns.
Given the choice between wearing a crown of shit and a crown of thorns I'd opt for a crown of thorns any day.
I vote Cash.
Given the choice between wearing a crown of shit and a crown of thorns I'd opt for a crown of thorns any day.
I vote Cash.
