Let's just say that bells are likely to be involved.Red Jezza said:yeah! TELLTELLTELL!!!!!

Let's just say that bells are likely to be involved.Red Jezza said:yeah! TELLTELLTELL!!!!!

Anna Key said:Warning: a dress code is in operation at the Goose
Gentleman Yupps: Ralph Lauren cashmere sweater thown nonchalantly over the shoulders
Lady Yupps: "difficult" glasses, e.g.
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Don't worry, as soon as you've you've left the reception* it all calms down...it's like being on a runaway train without a driver until that point...I know, I've done it twice.......Mr Retro said:... see you in 3 weeks.
Getting very very scared
These are "Ironic" glasses.isvicthere? said:Surely that's "ironic" glasses!
Not 'Free' as in Squeaky Bomp (the preferred Jazz Muso term) but free as in gratis and for nothing (I think they might pass a hat round at the end, but I'm hazy on that one because of beer consumption last time I went......)isvicthere? said:What, "free" jazz as in Ornette Coleman, or jazz that you don't have to pay for?
Anna Key said:These are "Ironic" glasses.
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Außerst verboten in the Goose but they're fine for Living Bar and Brixton Bar & Grill.
IntoStella said:Then you are either mightily fussy, 'lulah, or the pub you are thinking of is not, in fact, the Cambria.
Unless it has gone massively downhill since I was last in there with Mrs Magpie. Er, come to think or it, me being in there with Mrs Magpie and it then going massively downhill is not beyond the realms of imagination in terms of cause and effect.![]()
Mind you, it was about two years ago now. My, how time flies when one is permanently pissed.I shall have to go up there and see if the locals have indeed degentrified it.
There you go: a text book example of the negative effects of gentrification on community pubs.Shelly P said:It was posh after its refit a few years ago but it is changing now (might have something to do with the new manager they got I think last summer but could have been earlier than that last year) It seems to have football on 24-7 nowadays and some of the other customers do not appreciate other people who actually like to talk to each other over their pint. Its getting tattier, the quality of the beer is somewhat variable and the food (last time I had it - about a year ago) was really nothing special. I don't care about pubs being tatty, I prefer that to all 'smart' white /silver / bleached wood trendy decors - but I now feel like its the worst of both worlds - the prices are still are 'inflated' as they were after it was done up, but now its shabby, football centred and the food is crap. I wish it'd just been left how it was originally!

Shelly P said:It was posh after its refit a few years ago but it is changing now (might have something to do with the new manager they got I think last summer but could have been earlier than that last year) It seems to have football on 24-7 nowadays and some of the other customers do not appreciate other people who actually like to talk to each other over their pint. Its getting tattier, the quality of the beer is somewhat variable and the food (last time I had it - about a year ago) was really nothing special. I don't care about pubs being tatty, I prefer that to all 'smart' white /silver / bleached wood trendy decors - but I now feel like its the worst of both worlds - the prices are still are 'inflated' as they were after it was done up, but now its shabby, football centred and the food is crap. I wish it'd just been left how it was originally!
, surreally replete with jazz trio and Grauniad reading whate wane sippers. IntoStella said:Well if you will hang around with Mr BC's mates.![]()
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IntoStella said:Very similar thing happened in West Norwood. The very rough Thurlow Arms shut down and was boarded up for ages. Then it became a GE Aldwinkle, surreally replete with jazz trio and Grauniad reading whate wane sippers.
But the rot began to set in. It became a Jack Stamps and eventually ended up as rough as the Thurlow Arms had been. And now it's shut and boarded up again. This depressing cycle has been completed in maybe six years.
You cannot impose change on communities with expensive lager and acres of blond wood. it doesn't work. Pubs are not independent of the communities they are located in. And if a community is in trouble because of poverty, crime, unemployment, poor public service provision, despair and, not least, crack, all the perfectly chilled Leffe Blond in the world is not going to stop that eating away the foundations of your ivory tower.
IntoStella said:Very similar thing happened in West Norwood. The very rough Thurlow Arms shut down and was boarded up for ages. Then it became a GE Aldwinkle, surreally replete with jazz trio and Grauniad reading whate wane sippers.
But the rot began to set in. It became a Jack Stamps and eventually ended up as rough as the Thurlow Arms had been. And now it's shut and boarded up again. This depressing cycle has been completed in maybe six years.
You cannot impose change on communities with expensive lager and acres of blond wood. it doesn't work. Pubs are not independent of the communities they are located in. And if a community is in trouble because of poverty, crime, unemployment, poor public service provision, despair and, not least, crack, all the perfectly chilled Leffe Blond in the world is not going to stop that eating away the foundations of your ivory tower.
twisted said:I think that's also an example of the effect of chain pubs where instead of a licensee whose been there for years and the pub represents his/her livelihood, chains just bring in managers and it's either just a job or a rung on the corporate ladder.
Breweries and chain pubs care as little about local communities as supermarkets and Starbucks.
Support the independents!!!
IntoStella said:Very similar thing happened in West Norwood. The very rough Thurlow Arms shut down and was boarded up for ages. Then it became a GE Aldwinkle, surreally replete with jazz trio and Grauniad reading whate wane sippers.
But the rot began to set in. It became a Jack Stamps and eventually ended up as rough as the Thurlow Arms had been. And now it's shut and boarded up again. This depressing cycle has been completed in maybe six years.
You cannot impose change on communities with expensive lager and acres of blond wood. it doesn't work. Pubs are not independent of the communities they are located in. And if a community is in trouble because of poverty, crime, unemployment, poor public service provision, despair and, not least, crack, all the perfectly chilled Leffe Blond in the world is not going to stop that eating away the foundations of your ivory tower.
Mr BC said:In fairness though, West Norwood is not exactly lacking in down-at-heel old men's pubs is it? Isn't there room for just one itsy bitsy yuppy pub? It would make this aspirant yuppy very happy.
Are there? There's Lancasters which serves the worst food I've ever tasted and charges £15 for the pleasure. That's it. The only decent pub is the Railway.Minnie_the_Minx said:there's plenty of little yuppy bars
That's in Tulse Hill .Mr BC said:Are there? There's Lancasters which serves the worst food I've ever tasted and charges £15 for the pleasure. That's it. The only decent pub is the Railway.

I use to live directly opposite it. They always had the telly on too - when Eastenders or a Bond film came on, we'd nip across the road and have a pint with our tv - fantastic.IntoStella said:That's in Tulse Hill .![]()
I thought you meant the Railway Hotel for a minute!
The Railway Bell off Gipsy Hill, mind you, is a top boozer.
(I agree it is a top boozer though.Mr BC said:Are there? There's Lancasters which serves the worst food I've ever tasted and charges £15 for the pleasure. That's it. The only decent pub is the Railway.

Presumably Lancasters is a bah not a bar?Minnie_the_Minx said:I said bars, not pubs![]()

KnickerlessCage said:i'm sure this thread has been up before but since we're on the subject i'll say it totally depends on my budget. if i can afford it, it would be the sw9 bar or the satay bar for their cocktails! wetherspoons is good price wise but i have got beef with them as they would not allow mw to sit in there with my 3 month old baby. i mean fair enough it hasn't got a beer gargen but this was during the day i went for something to eat and i was in the non-smoking section. aside from the albert the most accommodating places for me + my daughter has to be the satay bar + the hobgoblin.![]()
and have the odd pint or ten of old rosie

Anna Key said:Presumably Lancasters is a bah not a bar?![]()

No-one's mentioned the The Hamilton

The facts....IntoStella said:Very similar thing happened in West Norwood. The very rough Thurlow Arms shut down and was boarded up for ages. Then it became a GE Aldwinkle, surreally replete with jazz trio and Grauniad reading whate wane sippers.
But the rot began to set in. It became a Jack Stamps and eventually ended up as rough as the Thurlow Arms had been. And now it's shut and boarded up again. This depressing cycle has been completed in maybe six years..




silentNate said:You drink in an old mans pub in WN or you pay through the nose at Lancasters- no middle ground![]()