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kained&able
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You saying you would go in with say an a/5s then? against anyone? Obviously if there are fewer people and they are all tight as fuck and your not to near to the button things might change but generally any hand with a 5 in is going to be binned with me.
dave
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The point is you MUST mix it up when playing poker and "if" you are going to take a pop at the pot Ace; anything is sometimes worth a go, the worst thing you can do when playing poker is become predictable. (This depends on position and many other factors and not something I would recomend players do very often)
Probability is something that every poker player needs to understand once they have a good understanding of hands, position, odds etc. If you have a pocket pair do you know on average ever 7 times you’ll hit trips? So if you count the pocket pairs you have and don’t hit trips you should bet higher after you have missed 7 or 8 times in a row as the probability is you will hit.
Simple things like understanding the % of something like a pockets pair of 8’s holding up, according to the TV yesterday it is 78% of the time (I think that is a bit high myself, but that’s what the exerts were saying on the TV).
The more you understand the odds and the % the les the gamble and while we all can tell stories of bad-beats it is the long term view that must be taken with poker and if you play the odds and the % over the long term you’ll win, after all if you play tournaments you only need to finish in the money 55% of the time and over a year you’ll make good money compared to your stake.
Probability is something that every poker player needs to understand once they have a good understanding of hands, position, odds etc. If you have a pocket pair do you know on average ever 7 times you’ll hit trips? So if you count the pocket pairs you have and don’t hit trips you should bet higher after you have missed 7 or 8 times in a row as the probability is you will hit.
Simple things like understanding the % of something like a pockets pair of 8’s holding up, according to the TV yesterday it is 78% of the time (I think that is a bit high myself, but that’s what the exerts were saying on the TV).
The more you understand the odds and the % the les the gamble and while we all can tell stories of bad-beats it is the long term view that must be taken with poker and if you play the odds and the % over the long term you’ll win, after all if you play tournaments you only need to finish in the money 55% of the time and over a year you’ll make good money compared to your stake.
Idaho
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Epicurus said:
Against pocket 7s, 6s, 5s, 4s, 3s, and 2s maybe... against two random higher cards it is a minor favourite - between 52-54% depending on how far away the high cards are from the pair. Against, say, A4 it is about a 63% favourite.
Assuming we are talking about holdem.
You have misunderstood what I written.Idaho said:
Against pocket 7s, 6s, 5s, 4s, 3s, and 2s maybe... against two random higher cards it is a minor favourite - between 52-54% depending on how far away the high cards are from the pair. Against, say, A4 it is about a 63% favourite.
Assuming we are talking about holdem.
Pockets 8's will hold up 78% of the time if you get them as a starting hand, i.e. if you played pocket 8's 100 times you'd win 78 times (average)
Whatmaomao2 said:
You really don't understand probability at all do you.
How can previous hands affect current ones? Is god counting them?
I think you need to think about it again
lolIf you throw a dice 6 times and it doesn’t hit a 6 on any of those times are you saying the probability of it not hitting a 6 on the next two throws are the same as they were before you started, the odds are the same but the probability isn’t.
Think about it
maomao2 is absolutely right - your probability of hitting trips from a pocket pair remains exactly the same, no matter what has gone previously. The cards don't care about your ill-luck, nor do they even know about it!Epicurus said:What
I think you need to think about it again
Gambler's fallacy
I see what you are saying having read the link, but all I can say is it works for me, I count my pairs making trips and bet accordingly and as I said above I'm making an average of $350 a month for a $6 stake. (will go down now the yanks have left)Jazzz said:
In my way of thinking if I haven't hit trips for 9 times and the odds say I should on average every 7 I'm betting.
If you are winning regularly you have my respect.Epicurus said:
I didn't say your strategy was necessarily bad, mixing up your betting patterns is surely no bad thing in poker. If you have a winning strategy stick to it by all means! But be aware that your chances of making the hand are the same.
1/2 is 50/50Jazzz said:
I'm going to have to give examples as I'm Brazilian and English is my 2nd language and I want to get this correct.
On average when you start with a pocket pair you will hit trips 1 hand out of 7, if I have a pocket pair 12 times and don’t hit trips, the average says I should hit every 7 hands and now it is 12 so I will bet them higher than if I had just had trips. (depending on the pair and position etc is taken as given)
The fact that is a pair of two's or Aces doesn't change the chances of you hitting trips, but it will make a difference to your odds of winning the hand.
Where did I say that?Idaho said:
I make what I think is a clear and easy to understand statement that I said I heard on the TV and that is; if you have a starting hand of pocket 8’s it will hold up (that means win) 78% of the time, I didn’t say I’d do anything with them (I take it as a given that any hand when discussed on here is subject to the usual basic things, position, pot size and how others have acted before me.
Idaho
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Just trying to understand what you mean dude
I think what they meant on the TV was that 88 was a 78% favourite against a single random average hand. Against 9 other average hands, I think you are probably a big dog.
The problem is that at a full table, people are rarely raising, and definately not re-raising with average hands. They are doing so with much better than average hands. That's why middle pairs are very hard to play unless you have mountains of chips or are very short stacked.
I think what they meant on the TV was that 88 was a 78% favourite against a single random average hand. Against 9 other average hands, I think you are probably a big dog.
The problem is that at a full table, people are rarely raising, and definately not re-raising with average hands. They are doing so with much better than average hands. That's why middle pairs are very hard to play unless you have mountains of chips or are very short stacked.
Idaho
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This is a variant on what is known as the Las Vegas retirement plan. You retire with all your savings. Change up to the highest denomination chips. Watch the roulette wheel until it goes red 5 times in a row and stick it all on black.Epicurus said:
It works precisely 46% of the time.
It was a quiz just before the propaganda on the poker show and the question was:
If you have a starting hand of 88 what percentage of times will that hand hold up ( hold up = win the pot is what I understand hold up to mean, maybe I’m not correct with that but that is what the English person I was with said it means).
The options for the answer were these: a=50%, B=60%, C=70% and D=78%
The answer was D and I believe that it was I said above.
Please don't mix up my answer to what I would do with a pocket pair if I hadn't hit trips for many hands with how I would play pocket 88, they are very different questions and would get very different answers depending on position ect. ect.
To the person who asked me what I mean by ect. after position, pot size and how people had acted before me, what I mean is things like the size of my chip stack, the size of the chip stack of people who have acted and remain in the pot and also the stack of people yet to act, how the table has been playing, how active/passive aggressive/tight the players still to act have been and those who have acted and are still in the pot, there are other things I would also consider but I would need time to list them all, also I would recommend Harrington on Hold ‘em ISBN posted above somewhere, I haven’t got it to hand.
If you have a starting hand of 88 what percentage of times will that hand hold up ( hold up = win the pot is what I understand hold up to mean, maybe I’m not correct with that but that is what the English person I was with said it means).
The options for the answer were these: a=50%, B=60%, C=70% and D=78%
The answer was D and I believe that it was I said above.
Please don't mix up my answer to what I would do with a pocket pair if I hadn't hit trips for many hands with how I would play pocket 88, they are very different questions and would get very different answers depending on position ect. ect.
To the person who asked me what I mean by ect. after position, pot size and how people had acted before me, what I mean is things like the size of my chip stack, the size of the chip stack of people who have acted and remain in the pot and also the stack of people yet to act, how the table has been playing, how active/passive aggressive/tight the players still to act have been and those who have acted and are still in the pot, there are other things I would also consider but I would need time to list them all, also I would recommend Harrington on Hold ‘em ISBN posted above somewhere, I haven’t got it to hand.
Are you deliberately trying to misrepresent what I said with your selective quoting of my posts and you forgot to quote the very next line n your quoted text above.
The above is clearly subject to what I said above should be a given when talking to a poker player about hands and the is, position, pot size and the other things I mention about.
You seem to have missunderstood a lot of what I have posted on this thread, but not shown where I have given wrong information, why is that?
The above is clearly subject to what I said above should be a given when talking to a poker player about hands and the is, position, pot size and the other things I mention about.
You seem to have missunderstood a lot of what I have posted on this thread, but not shown where I have given wrong information, why is that?
Hi... just to try to clear this up.Epicurus said:
Mathematics says that in the long run you will hit your trips 1 in every 8 hands. But that doesn't mean there is any tendency for the cards to 'correct' streaks - there isn't. They don't care about your bad streak, or the bad streak of the guy to your left, or the bad streak you had last time you played in Detroit on a Wednesday and a waitress called Cynthia brought you a cheese sandwich. How could they?
The reason your average will settle down to where it should be eventually is because of the long streak of fairer luck to come, which will simply outweigh your bad streak when calculating an average by being much bigger. Here's a wiki article on this, the "Law of averages".
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kained&able said:
I play there too.
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kained&able
Here for the football.
Played in the p[oker project thingy thats just started up last night. Twas good fun, finsihed 11th and 10th in the two sessions and no body bullied me or really over awed me and i was getting some respect from a fair few players. twas a good laugh.
And with the regional comps your able to qualify for some of the european and world events.
www.pokerproject.co.uk
dave
And with the regional comps your able to qualify for some of the european and world events.
www.pokerproject.co.uk
dave
Well done
In a field of how many?
I think many people overestimate the % you need to win to be in profit if you only play tournaments as the prize is some much bigger than your stake and with many sites they have free-rolls so you can win real cash money for what is in effect free (Party poker has a number of these and you get point for the money you put on and then get points for the number of hands you win and these points can be used to play for real cash).
I tend to play these free-rolls if I am not able to fully concentrate on the game, they range from 500 point up to 1500 and I still have over 8000 so for me it is just free money and the first prise is $84 up to about $250 iirc
In a field of how many?
I think many people overestimate the % you need to win to be in profit if you only play tournaments as the prize is some much bigger than your stake and with many sites they have free-rolls so you can win real cash money for what is in effect free (Party poker has a number of these and you get point for the money you put on and then get points for the number of hands you win and these points can be used to play for real cash).
I tend to play these free-rolls if I am not able to fully concentrate on the game, they range from 500 point up to 1500 and I still have over 8000 so for me it is just free money and the first prise is $84 up to about $250 iirc
fractionMan
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24hpoker has a free-roll every hour. You can't win much, but it's good fun. And the winners of the hourly freerolls get entered into a weekly 2500euro tournament.
