ChrisFilter
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Seems I'm pretty crap thus far.. I've not lost any, but I rarely seem to come away from a session with more than a couple of hundred dollars. Still, new to it, need to learn the game.
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If you get crap cards, like a 3 and 5, is it worth staying in to see the flop, or should you just fold right out?
From what I have read you can't register if you have an American IP address, I'm not sure they would get around that even if they have loads of offshore accounts. I'm sure that some people will find a way around it but as there were 7 million registered American's playing for on-line poker I'd be surprised if more than 150,000 will bother to find a way around it.Idaho said:
BTW, looking at how the legislation has been written on-line pokers companies need to make “every effort” to stop US players registering via a 3rd party and can be find large amounts if they let them in.
It is also very clear when you look at the prise money in multi-table tournaments it is massively down, I play a $6 tournament that starts about 4pm week days and the prise money for first place was always around $1300 since the Yanks have been banned that has gone down to around $300 for the winner.
Not all sites have been hit hard, I understand that BlueSquare only had about 10% of players registered in the USA, but the big sites where the big money was, such as Party poker, poker stars, full-tilt and the like have been hit really hard, I think 30% of the value of Party poker was wiped off the day the announcement was made about banning on-line poker and it is now worth 48% less.
I hope it all goes back to how it was but I can’t see it for awhile and that’s a real shame for people who were making a reasonable return as the big money for small stakes has gone
ChrisFilter said:
I would say fold them, but it all depends really. If you're the Big Blind and noone raises then you can see a free flop. ALternatively if the blinds are low and you are small blind you may want to try and limp in, but I wouldn't bother.
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And you've lost me.. I need to read up on poker
That would depend on your position at the table and if anyone had raised before it was your turn to bet.ChrisFilter said:
Can I recommend you read Harrington of Hold ‘em ISBN 1-880685, it is a well written and easy to understand book.
With the hand you mention above I may call if I’m on the button or in one of the blinds and on a 9 player table only one person had called the big blind, my reason would be that there are only 2 players behind me and both are in the blinds so can play at a discounted price, I would play because of the pot odds, lets say the big blind is 40 chips, as 1 other player has called before I put my chips in there is already 100 chips in the middle (40 for the big blind, 20 for the small blind and 40 from the player who called), so I would be getting 2.5 to 1 for my money (I bet 40 to win 100 plus my stake back), what would concern me is, if I hit the flop and only get 1 pair I wouldn’t know where I stood as one of the other players could have hit a higher pair, but maybe I hit a straight or an opened ended straight, but how much could I bet if the flop was Ace 2 9, I only have 4 outs to hit a 4, so it would really depend on how the table was playing, tight or loose.
The more I analyse the hand the less likely I would be to call really, but the thinking above gives you an example of how my thought process would be.
Position is one of the most important things when thinking about playing a hand as you have lots more information if you are on the button rather than being under the gun (first to act), also pot odds the value of the prise compared to what you have to risk to win it and how many outs you have to improve your hand and beat the hand you have put the other players on, these a very simple ways of reducing the luck factor when playing poker.
Don’t play 3 5 even if they are suited (suited gives you about an extra 2.5% of hitting the top hand after the community cards have been dealt, and with 3 5 your chance of hitting the top hand is very small to start with) and I would always advise a new player to just disregard a hand like 3 5 as in the real world it is only going to get you in trouble if you just a little on the flop.
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ChrisFilter said:
I would always check or fold with those. I may be tempted if they are suited and were down to the last two in the tournament but in general, definitely not.
Idaho
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35o! That's a raisin' hand! Get your money in!ChrisFilter said:
If you are going to play Play Money, then play the Play Money Tournaments. The Play Money 'cash' games are pointless and you won't learn a thing.
Epicurus - most of the good US players or hopeless addicts are still playing. The casual punters are probably the ones who have gone. Still plenty of Euro muppets though.
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Idaho said:35o! That's a raisin' hand! Get your money in!
If you are going to play Play Money, then play the Play Money Tournaments. The Play Money 'cash' games are pointless and you won't learn a thing.
Ok, I'm in a tournament, watch my styles
$500 buy in, eek.
Idaho
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As a beginner you need to focus on playing a simple tight strategy. Wait for very good starting hands and bet them strongly. Don't get involved with the little cards. You need to work out what others are playing. On play money they will be playing any old rubbish.ChrisFilter said:
The other important beginner lesson is to not call when you are 80% likely to be beaten, even though you want to see what they really had. And don't try and draw to unlikely cards (inside straights, three of a kind, etc).
Can I ask where you get that information from?Idaho said:
My view is based on the FACT that the prise money is down, what sites are they using? How are they registering? How are they getting around the FACT that American IP addresses can't register?
Maybe some people are getting around it but I’d bet a lot of money that it is less than 1% of the total number of players that were registered.
They can still play live games in the USA.
If it was that easy the pro European players wouldn't be kicking up such a fuss about the FACT they can't play on-line between real life tournaments while staying in hotels in the USA.
I'm sure you are right that some players have and will find ways around it but very few.
My information comes from various poker sites, there is loads of info about it if you search and I haven’t read anything at all that suggests that lots of players are getting around this ban.
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I finished 8th out of 10 
Play money tournaments are really loose and lots of people think because of that they are pointless, but they are a good way to learn about position and pot odds and calculating your outs.ChrisFilter said:I finished 8th out of 10
Play your game, play position and play the odds and you should get in the top 3, 7 out of 10 games, if you can do that regularly with play money you’ll win over the long term for real money.
Don’t be put off by bad beats as you will play lots of hands so you’ll get lots more bad beats, people thing on-line poker is rigged because of the number of bad beats they get, but if you keep a record you’ll see its about the same % as real life games except you play many more hands so see it many more times.
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My information is mainly gleaned from two sources. A poker site with lots of US players who are all talking discreetly about the Netteller 'workaround' and by other online players I know who have said there hasn't been much of a downturn. I'll speak to an online pro I know tonight and get his opinion.Epicurus said:
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If I knew what a big blind was, I'd be there
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ChrisFilter said:I finished 8th out of 10
Chris, mate, cut the crap with play money bollocks. Its no fun at all and no-one plays a proper game because it isn't real money. Poker is an utterly pointless exercise without money being involved (IMO)
Go on one of the cheap tables, $5 buy in games are a great way of playing for an hour, you'll learn loads more and may even get 2nd or 3rd place while you're learning which will be at least your money back.
Also, you got to watch out for when you tilt i.e. keep calling and raising when you should have folded. A lot of poker is weighing up the odds of the card you need showing up against what would be your return if it does.
That and NEVER play drunk. It may be a laugh, but you WILL lose 99.99% of the time.
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souljacker said:
I'll stick with the play tables until I have the rules down I reckon, will get that book mentioned above, Harrington.
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bottler
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souljacker said:bottler
I'e got to save money for a month in Asia and Australia, I owe girlfriend rent money for this month as it is, if I add gambling to my list of vices, I'll be in a right pickle
BTW money management is also very important and hasn’t been mentioned here yet.
What is meant by money management is protecting your total stake, when I started a friend who is a professional poker player who has made a living from it for over 20 years in Europe told me this:
He asked what is your total stake and I decided that would be $200, his advice was, only play $6 (the cheapest) tournaments and don’t play any cash games until you have got $500 and then again only play .25/.50$ real money games with a buy-in of no more that 25$ (that means the max I can lose is $25), keep to that until you reach £1000 then go up to the $11 tournaments and so on, that way even if you hit the mother of all bad runs you only ever a very small amount of your total stack at risk. I still play $6 games as I have taken a lots of winning out to spend on other things so I’m back to $856 still 4 times my original stake
It has worked for me
BTW if anyone wants to talk poker strategy I’d love to as when I go back to Brazil as well as teaching English I hope to make some money teaching poker, so its all good practice for me
What is meant by money management is protecting your total stake, when I started a friend who is a professional poker player who has made a living from it for over 20 years in Europe told me this:
He asked what is your total stake and I decided that would be $200, his advice was, only play $6 (the cheapest) tournaments and don’t play any cash games until you have got $500 and then again only play .25/.50$ real money games with a buy-in of no more that 25$ (that means the max I can lose is $25), keep to that until you reach £1000 then go up to the $11 tournaments and so on, that way even if you hit the mother of all bad runs you only ever a very small amount of your total stack at risk. I still play $6 games as I have taken a lots of winning out to spend on other things so I’m back to $856 still 4 times my original stake
It has worked for me
BTW if anyone wants to talk poker strategy I’d love to as when I go back to Brazil as well as teaching English I hope to make some money teaching poker, so its all good practice for me
Can you PM the name of the site as if the yanks are there I want to be there taking their moneyIdaho said:
All I can say is that the sites I play the prise money is down 70% so they are getting on any of the site I play.
Are you saying that the sites you use are still getting the big prises and they haven’t gone down because if that is the case I want to be on those sites
(I’m not arguing with you; just very interested that your view is so different to mine and it would appear that our experience is so very different since the yanks were banned)
No what you need to bear in mind is folding is only a small mistake and there is no shame in folding, you must play your hand and don't try and play the players.Idaho said:
Why would you play a hand like jack 5 off-suit?
The more hands you play the more it costs you, so only play hands with a good chance of winning, AA KK AK QQ JJ if you are in position 1 2 or 3, you can play lower pairs and high connected cards in seat 4 5 or 6 and play even worse hands in position 7 8 or 9 as you have much more info when in those hands and fewer people to call after you have played.
You can take about 70% of the gamble out of poker if you play the right game or you can gamble and play every hand in the hope you hit the flop, the fist group make money the 2nd are the ones who pay the first.
Got to go out now.
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I just finished 16th out of 1000 in my first ever tournament
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I think the secret is to let as the crazies (all in with 56o) kill each other before betting on anything but (AA, AK or KK)
The other thing is to bet strong hands against any identifed crazy. some guy just all ined against me with j6o. I knew he was crazy so I called with A9 and cleaned up.
The other thing is to bet strong hands against any identifed crazy. some guy just all ined against me with j6o. I knew he was crazy so I called with A9 and cleaned up.
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chris i wouldn't play anything with a 5 in the hand other then 5/5 and even then it would depend on how many people were in the hand and i would fold if a 5 didn't come up in the flop(first three community cards)
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