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Bendy Buses Do You Pay?

shoddysolutions said:
Do you think the rail companies should consult you before replacing their rolling stock too, and Ford should give you a tinkle next time they redesign the Fiesta?

Lack of consultation is a poor excuse for dodging your fare. Why do you think you do not need to pay, but everybody else should? What makes you a special case?

1st point - Yes and no (railway was run as a public service once remember, whereas ford are a bastardo car manufacturer)

2nd point - everyone else doesn't pay their fare, thats why this thread started - and as i pointed out, i prefer to pay my fare in one easy fine-sized go. :p
 
kea said:
yr fasting? :eek: oh of course, ramadan, isn't that driving you insane?!

Thankfully I’m not Muslim but for one day during Ramadan our org and the others in the building fast. I’m bloody hungry but work are picking up the tab for the massive feast we’re going to eat in about 1 ½ half hours! :D
 
Sorry to derail further but I must say it's quite surreal after a while, the mind goes very...spaced...um.
 
tom k&e said:
Savers - tear off one, and if the inspectors say the stub dosen't match with the serials of any of the tickets, blame the driver...
And jeopardise the bus driver's job through your dishonesty :(
 
Wyn said:
And jeopardise the bus driver's job through your dishonesty :(

They won't actually believe you, but nor will they be able to prove it in court. Except CCTV probably scuppers this one outright.

Stick to the broken oyster card approach.
 
As far as I know if you;re in possession of a valid ticket you can't be charged a penalty fare surely. How can they charge you if you are in possession of a valid ticket (savers) which you then present to the inspector?
 
don't they just blame you cos 'you should have realised it hadn't worked when it didn't make the beepy noise when you swiped it' ?
i've heard DLR ticket people say this.
 
kea said:
don't they just blame you cos 'you should have realised it hadn't worked when it didn't make the beepy noise when you swiped it' ?
i've heard DLR ticket people say this.

As I said it worked for months taking the 29 every day. Finally had to stop after the bus drivers started recognising me.
 
Harold Hill said:
As far as I know if you;re in possession of a valid ticket you can't be charged a penalty fare surely. How can they charge you if you are in possession of a valid ticket (savers) which you then present to the inspector?
You have to validate a saver ticket by handing a portion to the driver.
 
Hellsbells said:
Well all i have to say is be VERY careful. I was on a bendy bus without a valid oyster card (I'd forgotton to renew it :rolleyes: ).
I was caught by a random conductor, got taken to court and just received a fine for £145 :eek: And if I don't pay it within the next 3 weeks, they're sending the bailiffs round :eek:


Oh my god! Didn't they give you a chance to pay the £10 penalty fare on the spot, or soon after?

So...let's say you have a PAYG oyster, and you *thought* you had swiped it, maybe the bus was busy or you had headphones on and couldn't hear the bleep. If a ticket inspector then got on, couldn't you simply offer to swipe your card, and pay the fare?
 
There are plenty of ways of dealing with travel costs, aye. Bit of imagination is all you need.

Why not jack a car of a morning? No C-charge probalems!
 
Paulie Tandoori said:
1st point - Yes and no (railway was run as a public service once remember, whereas ford are a bastardo car manufacturer)

2nd point - everyone else doesn't pay their fare, thats why this thread started - and as i pointed out, i prefer to pay my fare in one easy fine-sized go. :p

1. Yes but we are not living in the 1970s anymore, rail operations have been privatised and the buses deregulated. Transport is no longer simply a 'public service', but a business too. No operator would jeopardise his/her profits by making a decision that he knew would be unpopular with the public. Gettign rid of the Routemasters was a calculated risk that has benefitted passengers (more room on buses, ability to take passengers with mobility problems) and the companies (more passengers). Incidentally, who runs london buses? are they still a public company or what?

2. I'm not interested in everyone else - I'm asking YOU why YOU won't pay your fare! I assume that you agree that fare charging is the best way to pay for the service (as opposed to say, government subsidy). Are you so poor relative to other passengers that you feel you should not have to pay? Do you think the fares are too expensive, or what?
 
pootle said:
Oh my god! Didn't they give you a chance to pay the £10 penalty fare on the spot, or soon after?

No. They took my oyster card off me, wrote down my details and said someone would be in touch. I had a letter about 6 months later saying the matter was being taken to court. I didn't actually go to court myself (I was given the option not to), but I did write a statement that I requested be read out in the courtroom. Which obviously had no effect whatsoever :rolleyes:

For gods sake. I forgot to renew my oyster card and sat on one bus travelling free of charge for less than 10 minutes. Bloody £145 punishment :mad:
 
Hellsbells said:
No. They took my oyster card off me, wrote down my details and said someone would be in touch.

That is outrageous! Especially since you weren't deliberately fare dodging. I've deliberately fare dodged in the past and when I did get caught, I was told I could cough up a tenner there and then, and no more would be done, which I did. Although I also signed a false name, of someone I hate on the receipt... :o

Poor you! I'm guessing you have disputed this, and said stuff like you weren't given the option to pay the penalty there and then?
 
pootle said:
Oh my god! Didn't they give you a chance to pay the £10 penalty fare on the spot, or soon after?

So...let's say you have a PAYG oyster, and you *thought* you had swiped it, maybe the bus was busy or you had headphones on and couldn't hear the bleep. If a ticket inspector then got on, couldn't you simply offer to swipe your card, and pay the fare?


That's what I was thinking... Say you always have a valid PAYG oyster and it did not swipe correctly.. What then ?
 
shoddysolutions said:
2. I'm not interested in everyone else - I'm asking YOU why YOU won't pay your fare! I assume that you agree that fare charging is the best way to pay for the service (as opposed to say, government subsidy). Are you so poor relative to other passengers that you feel you should not have to pay? Do you think the fares are too expensive, or what?

Yes, I do think that the fares are too high now, so for short hops (which is mostly what I use the bus for) I don't pay on 73 when I use it - which is exactly how I used to use it when it was a proper route, with conductors. Often, you would find that the clicky wouldn't bother getting fares at our end of the route cos they'd be having a well deserved sit down after ferrying hundreds of people back and forwards. Of course, I have to pay on other routes, and I often pay the fare if I'm on a 73 into town but for short hops around the borough, not a chance.

London Buses manages bus services in London. It plans routes, specifies service levels and monitors service quality. It is also responsible for bus stations, bus stops and other support services. The bus services are operated by private operators, which work under contract to London Buses. They have a budget of £666million for 2004-05 (spooky or what) out of a total Transport for London budget of over £2,000million, which is made up of government funding (i.e. my and your taxes), GLA funding (i.e. my and your council tax precepts) and fares and other revenues. You'll remember of course, that in trying to get elected, that wonderfully consistent Mayor of ours promised that fares would rise less than or equal to inflation, something he seems to have conveniently forgotten lately.

As for the old RMs and new BBs, I read an interesting article recently that cast a loto of doubt on the business case for the introduction of BBs, at the expense of revamping some RMs (which were tailor made designed for use on London's streets), implying that not only were the BBs less suitable in getting around, but that they also use more, not less, fuel. However, I can't remember where I read this so you'll have to take my word (well, of course you don't but you get my drift) :)
 
meh if it was easier to pay i might! but the damn busses pull up, you're arsing about with £1.20 by the machine and well it's just quicker to jump on and not miss the bus and have to wait for the next one. so no, i generally don't pay for bendies but then i try not to use them very often - they're disgusting! :mad:
 
Wyn said:
You have to validate a saver ticket by handing a portion to the driver.

So if I show him/her the stub which I used the last time what then? Will they go and check with the driver if there is over 150 people on board and I'm istting at the back?
 
shoddysolutions said:
Gettign rid of the Routemasters was a calculated risk that has benefitted passengers (more room on buses, ability to take passengers with mobility problems)

Rubbish.
 
Harold Hill said:
So if I show him/her the stub which I used the last time what then? Will they go and check with the driver if there is over 150 people on board and I'm istting at the back?

even if they do, just do what tom k&e said, the driver wont get in trouble - but they won't be able to prove nuffink
 
I'm guessing the bendy buses in London are different to those in Newcastle.

The X66 to Metrocentre is a bendy bus. The rear of the bus exit is gated and has a driver camera on it. Obviously people with Network Traveltickets and Go 'N' Save cards just hop on the front but the drivers are very strict. In some cases they don't even open the middle doors
 
liberty said:
The 38 journey is much longer new as it is having real trouble getting around parked cars etc... :(
What is the source for that information? Are there official timings published or anything?
 
liberty said:
The 38 journey is much longer new as it is having real trouble getting around parked cars etc... :(

Out of interest, anyone know what its like at Victoria station now that the routemasters have gone?. It was pretty chaotic there before the 38's became bendy buses, must be awful now.
 
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