I think that question has been answered, apparently you are either world class or shit.
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I think that question has been answered, apparently you are either world class or shit.
I think that question has been answered, apparently you are either world class or shit.
lol
In that case he's clearly shit.
kained&able
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easily.
hes shit.
No no teaboy, world class is ranked more highly then class. But resrved for very very few players.
dave
hes shit.
No no teaboy, world class is ranked more highly then class. But resrved for very very few players.
dave
kained&able
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Or just one - Torres.
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Dave's... Dave's special. He doesn't see things like you or I.
TrippyLondoner
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He's getting plaudits all over the shop... Capello's most consistent player. That's Capello. C-A-P-E-L-L-O. You might have heard of him, he's pretty good at judging players with talent.
kained&able
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well messi, kaka and ronaldo as well but yeah torres is probbaley just about there.
dave
dave
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He's getting plaudits all over the shop... Capello's most consistent player. That's Capello. C-A-P-E-L-L-O. You might have heard of him, he's pretty good at judging players with talent.
pah untill I see his champ manager recored he is nothing
dave
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So there are just four world class players on the planet and the rest are shit?
kained&able
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No no theres 4/5/8.... world class players in the world lots of class players and lots & lots of shit players.
dave
dave
He's getting plaudits all over the shop... Capello's most consistent player. That's Capello. C-A-P-E-L-L-O. You might have heard of him, he's pretty good at judging players with talent.
Capello is over-rated.
Not a patch on Rafa - not even in Houllier's league. Mind you, Houllier signed a certain Heskey for £11m.....
I can remember his Roma side came to Liverpool in the Houllier days - they got dicked 2-0 and sent packing.
kained&able
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thats beacuse im better then a normal person. I can see through all the bullshit to what really matters.
or something.
dave
Bullshit, Dave. You only have to look at England's performances in the early years of Sven's rule, when we did reasonably well (and I think we would have beaten Portugal in that Euro 2004 quarter final, even with Rooney injured, if Sven had brought Heskey on instead of Vassell, as Heskey would have held the ball up in the portugal end), and after that, and during the Mclaren years (except when Mclaren recalled him and mysteriously we won two games 3-0), to see that he is actually a really really vital player to our side.
Rubbish, it's a false comparison. Strikers are all about who they play alongside. If Heskey playing alongside either Owen or Rooney causes either of those players to score way more than they otherwise would, then play him.
Using your rationale, Peter Beardsley was shit too. He wasn't - he didn't score many, he just helped Lineker to score loads. Ditto Quinn and Phillips at Sunderland back when they were goodish.
We've had years of square pegs in round holes, playing stupid 4-5-1 formations and stuff so that we can fit gerrard, lampard, joe cole, hargreaves and beckham in the same midfield (thus leaving rooney isolated) etc.
We don't need that any more.
We need a team. Teams win games in this sport, and rarely 'class players'.
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Exactly. With Heskey in the side, the ball remains in posession up front for far, far longer than without him. Strikers need space created, chances layed off and defenders taken out of the game. It's not just 'cos he's big; he's a genuinely excellent player and this is obvious to anyone who's actually gone to see a game in which he's played (and played well, he is succeptable to bad weeks in the office). Houllier, O'Neill, Eriksson, Capella all love him (though Houllier damaged his career immeasurably) and they know what they're talking about.
With him in the side, England score loads of goals. Without him in the side, England don't. This doesn't happen for someone that's 'shit' or 'just a big lump'. Don't forget how tall he is, it's difficult to look fluid and grateful when you're that size... he'll out run most defenders over 10yrds, that's for sure. He competed for England in the 100m as a kid.
This probably seems over the top, but it's been 12 years of having to defend him when dealing with people who only know to judge a forward on goals scored. It's a blessed relief that the football supporting population are finally coming round to the idea!
