being penalised for taking strike action

Discussion in 'education & employment' started by Pickman's model, Sep 29, 2016.

  1. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    earlier in the year i refused to cross the picket line of another union which was on strike, had a spot of money deducted from my pay, and thought no more about it.

    until yesterday when i saw another deduction from my wages, which i was told was due to an unauthorised absence and investigation revealed to be the day of the strike.

    management told staff that people taking action would see a 1/260 deduction from wages; i have had 1/130 deducted.

    you can see how this might deter people who aren't in a union from supporting action, and i'm fuming about it. and waiting to hear back from hr.
     
  2. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge Warning: posts may cause vasovagal presyncope

    Keep us informed.
     
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  3. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    long exchange of emails with hr this morning who say that my line manager discussed this with me. but it was my manager's manager's manager, who mentioned as i passed him on some stairs that there would be a deduction from my wages, not afaicr, the amount or that the day would be treated as unauthorised absence. tbh it's not the money that's the issue - i did some extra hours in may for an extra £300, so it's not like i'm too down financially. it's the principle, which is that if i withdraw my labour in support of a staff demand i'm on strike. passed on the email exchange to someone on the branch committee of the other union, and being as far as i know i'm the only person outside that union who refused to cross the picket line i hope for some support from that side.
     
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  4. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge Warning: posts may cause vasovagal presyncope

    Check how it affects your pension, too.
     
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  5. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    i have no expectations from that side of things but you're right, i will do.
     
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  6. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    email sent. if i take up enough time they may just reduce the deduction to silence me.
     
  7. Guineveretoo

    Guineveretoo Mostly bewildered

    If you refuse to cross a picket line you are taking industrial action and that means that you will be treated the same as those people on the picket line. That is, they can legally deduct a day's wage for each day you are absent and it is, legally, classed as unauthorised absence.

    Taking part in industrial action and strikes - GOV.UK
     
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  8. Guineveretoo

    Guineveretoo Mostly bewildered

    The link I put up above points out that it probably will affect your pension in a miniscule way.

    The question, though, is whether they have deducted the right amount!
     
  9. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    ah. but our big boss sent round an email saying
    and tbh i'd say deducting wages at twice the rate for non-ucu members is precipitate and disproportionate.
     
  10. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge Warning: posts may cause vasovagal presyncope

    Exactly. Especially as they seem to be deducting more than a day's wages for a day's absence (if I understand Pickmans correctly).
     
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  11. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    tbh an issue here is everything they sent round said people taking action would lose 1/260 of their wages, not ucu members would lose 1/260 and everyone else a higher amount.
     
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  12. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    i work part-time for that employer, two full days a week and one half day. the strike was on one of the full days i work, for which i have seen the entire day deducted. yeh, i can see the point of taking the entire day. but it seems to me unfair when they say 'ucu members, you lose 1/260' and they say to me, 'pickman's model, you lose 1/130'.
     
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  13. High Voltage

    High Voltage In the top 97% of Urban's most interesting posters

    Sooooo . . . would that make your Pro Rata payment rate 50% of an annual salary?

    And if so, surely, any deduction should be at a similar rate i.e. 1/520th rather than 1/130th - sounds to me like, maybe, someone didn't do the mathS right
     
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  14. sim667

    sim667 Licking windows on the 303 bus.

    I think if it is an illegit deduction you can charge interest.

    I managed to blag some interest when my old job simply "forgot" to pay me for 3 months.
     
  15. Guineveretoo

    Guineveretoo Mostly bewildered

    I think that's an error - taking the money twice, I mean.
     
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  16. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    no, what's happened is they've said 'pickman's wasn't in that day so we won't pay him for any of it' rather than 'pickman's wasn't in that day so we will deduct 1/260 of his annual wages'. tbh i don't object to 1/260.
     
  17. Guineveretoo

    Guineveretoo Mostly bewildered

    They cannot legally take more from non UCU members. It's an error.
     
  18. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge Warning: posts may cause vasovagal presyncope

    Yes. It could just be that the admin has accidentally carried forward last month's deduction to this month as well. It happens. But that's why you should read and query your payslips.
     
  19. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    please could you point me in the direction of something saying this?
     
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  20. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    what happened is they deducted a small amount in june and a rather larger amount the other day. they made a mistake in june and were 'correcting' it with an additional deduction the other day.
     
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  21. Guineveretoo

    Guineveretoo Mostly bewildered

    Ah, I'm understanding now.

    I'm afraid they're probably right. The law says they don't have to pay you so they won't pay you.

    Other part timers would have the same problem. You could ask to ensure that they are applying it consistently, in fact.
     
  22. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    i entirely understand their point. and tbh i wouldn't be arguing this at all if the institution hadn't previously announced that staff taking action would be deducted 1/260 of their annual wages.
     
  23. Guineveretoo

    Guineveretoo Mostly bewildered

    The link says that. But your deduction is not because you're non-UCU - it's because you're part time.

    Ask how they have applied it to part time UCU members.
     
  24. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    they are denying i was on strike and have put this down as unauthorised absence. they have already said to me that if i was on strike then they would recredit me the difference. this is really the sticking point, was i on strike or not? on the day i phoned in and said i wasn't crossing the picket line. seems clear to me...
     
  25. Rutita1

    Rutita1 Scum with no integrity, apparently.

    Is the sticking point here that the OP's Union wasn't the one on strike so they are simply recording him as absent?
     
  26. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    yes.
     
  27. Miss-Shelf

    Miss-Shelf I've looked at life from both sides now

    I feel your pain
    In my work the sister and brother unions are forever on strike. Some people solve it by taking leave and joining the picket line if the other union. As Guin says, check the amount taken
     
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  28. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

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    Local Government Lawyer - Striking answers

    it seems they could dismiss me as, as a member of another non-striking union, i would not have the protection from dismissal. but in terms of the deduction, when they have announced people taking action would lose 1/260 it seems perverse to take 1/130.
     
  29. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    i have.
    but the issue is whether i as a non-ucu member supporting the strike through not crossing the picket line am myself on strike or on unauthorised absence.
     
  30. Sprocket.

    Sprocket. Regret, transience and disillusioned fortitude..

    I think it's wonderful that we live in a state where secondary picketing is illegal, yet it appears that secondary strike busting by fiscal attack is legal.

    Seriously I believe you are entitled to the same penalties your work colleagues received, it would be discriminatory to treat another employee differently. But as I typed that it crossed my mind I have heard of similar action before when a union member in a different Union to the one in dispute with the employer. As it was deemed an absence.
    Will do some checking up and let you know.
     
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